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PostSubject: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:08 am

Gone thro a second pair of Dunlop Roadmarts and was wondering if Michelin pilot road 4 were any better. So any reccomendations?
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:27 am

Can't compare as I haven't tried the Dunlop's but I can recommend the PR4s which I have found to be excellent in all conditions.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:43 am

+1 for the PR4's.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 2:47 am

+2
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:34 am

I'm a Michelin man, in more ways than one.
PR4's, PP3's, take your pick.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:09 am

+3 on the PR4s
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:24 am

+4 on the PR4s
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 12:58 pm

Looks like Michelin PR4s are the way to go. Thanks guys.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:50 pm

how many miles do you get out of these PR4s?
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:41 pm

No one knows. They're too new.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 9:45 pm

Who cares, they work.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:29 pm

4000km on mine and they still look new.

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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:58 am

Pilot Power 3s on mine The PPs seem better than the PRs. These are my first set of PPs so I dunno how long they will last, but they have 6Kkm on em with still a shitload of tread. They go good in the rain and as of last Sunday the hail. The Metzzeler Rensports that came on him when he was new stuck like shit to a blanket but only got 4KKm out of the back and that was runnin him in. Try the PPS.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Thu Feb 05, 2015 3:45 pm

The best tire I ever got was the Dunlop Roadsmart.
I got 8000 spirited miles out of it after the 4100 miles (to the cord) out of the stock Metzeler that included break in period time.
I was on my 09 at the time...

Then Dunlop came up with the Roadsmart II and while it grips just fine like the previous Roadsmart, it lasted 4000 miles also.
I played around with Contis and Bridgestones but never got past 6000 miles.
I have a Michelin PR2 now and it looks like it's a 6000 tire as well.
I'm a Dunlop guy when it's time to push it hard, otherwise just about any tires mentioned above will do.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 12:42 am

I agree Grisonut. My first Roadsmarts run about 9000 miles, but the replacements have gone after 6000 miles. That's why I'd like a change.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:03 am

I'm running Dunlop Sportsmart 2s for the first time, and they seem fine at 4000 kms though I'm having trouble getting to the edge, probably because I am still learning my GRiSO and making adjustments to set-up.  Sorry, not tried Roadsmarts.

I previously ran sport touring tyres on my much lighter Shiver, first Michelin PR2s, followed by Pirelli Angels and Angel GTs - of these I preferred the slightly grippier Pirellis.  However, if I was riding a lot on wet roads I think I would give the PR4s a go.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:24 am

My experience is that true, top of the range, 'Sport' tyres are wasted on the GRiSO. The simple fact is that while something like a TV4 is far more powerful it is also much, much lighter than a GRiSO.

GRiSO's weight, particularly at the back where you have a huge gearbox as unsprung weight, means that the tyre sidewalls, puny though they are on modern profiles, cop a real hammering.

Sure if you want to go to a track day and cane the piss out of it and expect to trash at least one set in a day? Go for soft and sticky and just go to 12-15% hot/cold. On the ROAD though I honestly find a dual compound with stiffer sidewalls works much better and lasts much longer without the 'Sidewall Squelch' you tend to get with the 'Top Gun' rubber.

YOMV.

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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:33 am

I find a lot of so called 'fast' sport bike riders will run 30psi in the rear, combined with 'Sidewall Squelch' means their tyres are always scrubbed to the edge ....................... without serious lean angles. And they get 2-3,000km out of a tyre.

That's the price of looking cool, but we are all mature and well beyond that, aren't we?
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:57 am

It rains a lot here, in France too. So it'll be sport touring tyres, and it seems the PR4s are the recommended choice.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 11:32 am

I am on my second set of Roadsmart 2
they work well for me and stand up well I would guesstimate 8000km then they will be done
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:46 pm

The only other Tyre I can confidently recommend are Metzler Roadtec Z8's which are a slightly more touring oriented and robust version of their sport tyre, work really well on a GRiSO.
Good in the wet with progressive feel in all conditions (no hanging on like a leech and then suddenly letting go with you ending in the bushes),
Got good km's out of a couple of sets including an 11,500 km trip across Australia in very hot conditions, carrying a sizeable load.
Only changed to the PR4's which I like very much, to try something different.
I have always enjoyed riding on Metzlers which from my experience work nearly as well when shagged as they do when new.
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Sat Feb 07, 2015 6:28 am

Tod. wrote:
It rains a lot here, in France too......

In France too??
Go further South Son! Laughing Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:20 am

Pete Roper wrote:
My experience is that true, top of the range, 'Sport' tyres are wasted on the GRiSO. The simple fact is that while something like a TV4 is far more powerful it is also much, much lighter than a GRiSO.

GRiSO's weight, particularly at the back where you have a huge gearbox as unsprung weight, means that the tyre sidewalls, puny though they are on modern profiles, cop a real hammering.

Sure if you want to go to a track day and cane the piss out of it and expect to trash at least one set in a day? Go for soft and sticky and just go to 12-15% hot/cold. On the ROAD though I honestly find a dual compound with stiffer sidewalls works much better and lasts much longer without the 'Sidewall Squelch' you tend to get with the 'Top Gun' rubber.

YOMV.

Pete

I ran into that weak sidewall issue with Michelin Pilot Pures.

In fact -- always looking for excuses to rationalize away my poor skills and stupidity   Rolling Eyes  -- I attribute my unplanned dismount and pavement visit in 2013 to those tires flexing too much during a roll-out in a tight turn.  

OK, OK, maybe my GVWR-challenged body added to the tires' discomfort. Embarassed

I am due new tires now and think I'll go with the MPR4's but in the GT version, as those are designed with up-gunned sidewalls for ST bikes like my Norge.

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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Sat Feb 07, 2015 9:38 am

Please consider Pirelli Angel GT's, IMO the perfect tire for a G8V. (No affiliation)
/Ron
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PostSubject: Re: Michelin v Dunlop   Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:07 am

Mr GRiSO wrote:
Please consider Pirelli Angel GT's, IMO the perfect tire for a G8V. (No affiliation)
/Ron

Thanks.

I have had two sets of those. One on GRiSO; other on Norge.

Quite fine.

And certainly better than the OEM Metzler M6's on both.

Have no doubt that while there is real data rather than my own and others anectdata on all of these choices that may -- for certain m/c and riders and roads and riding styles and conditions, etc. -- indicate one brand or model over others, lots of this boils down to whether one prefers redheads or blondes or brunettes.

I have to say, however, that for me, in the way I ride, what I ride, and where I ride, over time, I have had better experiences with Michelin tires.

Obviously, YMMV ... but I have always liked redheads.   Very Happy

Best from the top of Virginia ...

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