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PostSubject: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 1:06 pm

Hi!
FNG here... so new i've not yet had a chance to properly introduce myself in the "Who is You" forum! (I'll get to that soon!)

Anyways, I purchased a 2013 GRiSO 1200 8V about 6 weeks ago. It was Brand New and on Closeout from Redline Performance Motorsports in Yorktown, Virginia. I drove it home (about 170 miles) on back roads, being careful to vary the engine speed, load, etc.. per recommended break-in.
I rode it a couple more times the first 2 weeks before discovering a film of oil around each of the cylinders (around the middle fins of each cylinder where the gasket is). The bike only has about 250 miles on it!!! I think the leaks were from my initial ride home and I never noticed b/c of the low light in my garage. (you can see the sheen on the RH head in the photo taken right after my initial ride home)

At the moment My GRiSO resides at Winchester Motosport. It's been there almost 2 weeks (of prime VA riding season) while they search for possible causes...

Insult to injury.. This baby was a Birthday gift from my wife (#best wife ever!) and it was on my actual birthday that I discovered the leaks Sad

Anybody else ever experience this? If so or you've have an idea of what the problem is please do share! I can pass it along to the dealer!

Thanks!
John
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 1:14 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 2:31 pm

No need to panic.  Just make sure the valve cover bolts are torqued down to spec (8 Nm or 5.9 lb-ft) worst case scenario, you replace the sealing gasket. Also, check your oil level for over-fill. Generally, I try to keep mine no higher that half way between min and mas on the dipstick (on the sidestand, not screwed in.)

30 minutes tops either way and you're back on the road.

Blame it on inattentive dealer prep, it happens.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 2:35 pm

Looks like the oil is nearer the actual head gasket and not the rocker covers.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 2:37 pm

little750 wrote:
Looks like the oil is nearer the actual head gasket and not the rocker covers.

You've got good eyes. I couldn't see shit in that photo... scratch

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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 3:23 pm

A couple of close ups of the affected area would be helpful. It's certainly lower than the RC gasket. I'm thinking either a weep from the cooling gallery plug or more likely the drain hole from the plug tube.

If the latter it is either the plug hole gasket between the rocker cover and the Cambox weeping due to poor instalation or possibly the o-ring/s between the cambox 'Tube' and the head. Leaks from either of these sources will run down into the plug area and manifest themselves as a leak from the drain hole.

If it's the plug it will probably mean a warranty replacement head but if it was in my shop I'd suggest trying sealing it with wick-in and a thin smear of carefully applied epoxy.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 5:25 pm

Mike at WMS is a very competent Guzzi wrench, who also doesn't mind at all getting "advice" from the web, especially from the likes of Pete, Lord Roper.  

I was there earlier today picking up an oil filter; wish I had known, as I'd have inquired.

In any event, I (and Travis) are local and happy to look into this for you and share this thread with Mike and Carl.

FWIW, there are at least two other GRiSO owners in your area, btw (as in Great Falls and Ashburn).

Best,

Bill

P.S.  Riding my venerable EV over your way tomorrow to watch some 2d-grade grandbabies play baseball in Alexandria and Great Falls.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 7:38 pm

Thanks for all of the Help guys!

Pete, I'm anticipating it's a warranty item, the bike came w/a 2 year factory warrantee when i purchased it. I'm hoping it's nothing serious and i can get it back soon...and ride it!
here are some photos i took when i first noticed the leak.
oils appears to be seeping from this allen screw on the front of the cylinder heads near the exhaust port. I've also discovered that my riding boots have oils splattered on them...sigh.
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Bill, Thanks! That's great to know WM is a competent shop! I haven't talked to Mike but I've talked to Carl several times in the last 3 months, he actually encouraged me to purchase the GRiSO from RedLine since it was a pretty good deal! Seems like a nice guy. Just wish they'd call me back and let me know what's going on!

Hope you have fun at your grand kids game!
-John
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Fri May 08, 2015 8:44 pm

Yup, that is the cooling gallery plug. Now it shouldn't be removable easily but if it's leaking it probably will be. The warranty repair will be a new head.

To be honest I think this is most likely un-necessary. If the plug will unscrew take it out carefully then clean the entire area with Carby cleaner followed by contact cleaner to get it really clean and oil free. Then get some Loctite 'Wick In and put a drip on the plug threads and wind it back in. Let it sit for a couple of hours then start the bike and warm it up a bit. Not much, just for a minute to get the area around the plug warm but not hot to cure the wick-in. Then clean the area again with contact cleaner, let it cool and then put a small layer of epoxy over the plug. It doesn't need to be a big, unsightly, blob. Just a thin coating applied carefully over the plug. Let it cure for an hour then go out and flog the clacker off it and see if it still leaks. If it does? THEN warranty the head.

If the plug won't come out just clean it up thoroughly with the carby cleaner/contact cleaner trick and just cover it with epoxy. My guess is this will fix it.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Sat May 09, 2015 3:33 pm

Thanks for all of the help Pete,

I was hoping to get a call from Winchester Motosports today but it wasn't to be. they are closed now for the next two days so I guess I'll (maybe) hear from them on Tuesday.

-John
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Mon May 18, 2015 7:25 am

Update On my GRiSO oil leaks..
Carl at Winchester Motorsports called me, said the repairs were done. Met the mechanic Mike--really nice guy! He pulled all of the cooling gallery plugs out and resealed them. they also took care of the '13 rear suspension recall that i was unaware of! (apparently this should have been done at the dealer before they sold the bike??)

Anyways, rode it home (the long way) and heads are bone-dry!

Thanks again for all of your help with this!

-John
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Wed May 20, 2015 2:43 pm

Thought I would add my 2cents despite being late.

The oil weep issue you have had Grappa is identical to the one I had almost immediately after purchasing my 2012 SE. The dealer I purchased the bike from resealed the gallery plugs as well. It's been bone dry as you say ever since but was quite irritating to see on such a new bike. I am surprised this is still happening with newer Grisos. I would think Guzzi is aware of this issue by now and would try to remedy it before shipping more bikes and causing undue stress and loss of confidence in the bike for new owners. It appears they may prefer to let it go unaddressed? Hopefully I am proven wrong.

Anyhow, glad to hear you have got it taken care of so you can enjoy some riding!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil leak around Cylinder Heads @ only 250 miles!!   Thu May 21, 2015 4:54 am

Triumph Tiger I bought brand new in 2013 had leaky gallery plugs. Just one of those things.
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