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Tassiedevil71
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PostSubject: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:46 pm

Hi all,

In the last few weekends I have done over 1200km around Tas to see different artists perform for the Festival of Voices. (I'll post some details of the trip later - I had to take my little honda as I had the GRiSO headlight bezel in to be re-chromed and the plating guys were on "island time" in getting it done).

Since then I have developed a keen interest in acquiring some heated gear as there are a lot of events here during the Winter such as Clicky:Dark Mofo etc and at times even with multiple layers of merino and a quality insulated jacket it was still bloody cold

I have had a look at different options and here in Oz it looks like Clicky: Zarkie - Venture Clothing are the way to go. Their prices are equivalent to the US with exchange rates.

Unless it is raining or forecast for continuous rain I usually like to head off in my leathers with wet weather gear in my luggage:

Here is a pic of me in my leathers with Monique Brumby and Sophie Turner at Pyengana (a ripper of a day!).
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Best option for me - just from my own research would be the (clickies) - Tri-Zone Heated Base Layer Bottoms and either the matching Heated Tri-Zone Base Layer Shirt or the Men's City Heated Jacket

The portable options seem the best for me as I can have them turned on when off the bike and I don't mind springing for an extra battery to have in my luggage.

This a pic of Deborah Conway performing at Buckland - it was sub zero and raining to get an idea of conditions can be like;

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Any insights, inputs or experiences welcome.

Cheers Taz.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Jul 26, 2015 8:51 pm

I have a set of shitty Oxford heated grips that on their own are a pox. When you couple them with my Gerbings heated gloves and jacket though they are brilliant.

Given my time again I'd go for the heated vest rather than the jacket because it keeps the warmth closer but the jacket is high quality and the whole system is toasty warm. I'm very sensitive to cold now, especially in my knuckles. I wouldn't be without my heated gear now and the Gerbings is good tackle.

Only thing is when I bought mine the exchange rate was in our favour. Nowadays the $AU is in the terlet! AGAIN!

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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Jul 26, 2015 9:59 pm

The Oxfords no good Pete? Which ones do you have?
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Jul 26, 2015 10:01 pm

I'm seriously considering heated gear now that my decent into decrepitude is accelerating. I want to be able to ride GRiSO all year round without having to sook about the cold. Brr.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Jul 27, 2015 12:25 am

Some mates have jacket liners from Zarkie & love them - I sent away for one, but for some reason that I don't remember, I sent it back, and got the Powerlet jacket liner to match the Powerlet glove liners. Had them for at least 3 winters now & wouldn't be without them. These plug in to the bike's battery.

Even without power the liners are warm.

The glove liners, by themselves, are very effective. They warm the backs of the hands & fingertips. The push-button control works well. They work best when you actually can't tell that they are on, but keep your hands at blood temperature. The next step up, I find too hot. The biggest downside is that you have to stop to put them on & turn them on - unlike heated grips where you can switch them on & off on the run.

The jacket liner is very comfortable, comes with a remote (wireless) controller, with a separate knob to control the glove liners. The heat adjustment can, at times, be fiddly. But they do work and you don't need a lot of the usual warm gear. Leave your jumpers at home. The heat control will be better once I rig up a mount for the remote, so it will be readily accessible on the move.

The 1100 Sport also has heated grips. I found I use them a lot less, but they are a blessing when riding in & out of cold snaps in the hills & you can turn them on & off on the run. The grips don't heat the fingers or the backs of the hands, but they are great for temporary warmth. For all day (or night) warmth, I use the liners.

If there's any chance of cool riding, I don't leave home without them.

Another thing, when you step off the bike, they unplug themselves, & turn off - no unused power drain.

Another connection, or an adapter for the cig lighter plug, and the pillion can have their own liners, controlled separately by them. The few pillions I've had that have used them, REALLY liked them. I have not found that any of the bikes' electrical systems are stretched by their use.

Once you've had assisted warmth, you won't want to go back.

Mal
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:31 am

Thanks for the input - I hadn't thought about gloves as the GRiSO has heated grips and I thought they would suffice. They were installed when I bought it but I have never used them. I'll definitely need to see what difference they make.

I'll need to make my mind up pronto, as I have another trip planned for the 7th & 8th of August and don't really want to freeze my nuts off again.

Typing August just made me realize that there is only a month of winter to go,bounce then again September is not exactly barmy in Tas.

Beetle - I'll report back and let you know on how I get on.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:37 am

What possible use can there be for a 600W alternator on a motorbike apart from to run heated clothing?

For years and years people moaned about the *Weedy* output of the 320(?)W alternator used on the later Tonti's and Bellagio. Now people whine about the high C of G of the Carc big blocks! You can't fucking win with some people!

Me? The high mount alt makes not a jot of difference on a bike that weighs like a CARC bike and has a wheelbase like a 1950's London Omnibus! Having lots of Watts means I can run any amount of comfort inducing heated gear, run a GPS, charge my phone and download profligate quantities of midget porn on to my iPad while I'm riding along! What's not to like?

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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Jul 27, 2015 5:16 am

Not forgetting the defibrillator and CPAP machines...
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Aug 09, 2015 4:26 am

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Well I settled on the Venture Heat heated base layers (via Zarkie here in Australia) that are powered by rechargeable lithium batteries.

Customer service was good prior to purchase with quick replies via email to my inquiries. 2 days to reply after purchase however (I was worried about the charging process).

I persisted with my current form of layering with a base layer of Macpac Merino 210 long sleeve top and long johns. Even though the recommendation is for the heated gear to be the base layer it is my preference to have a natural fibre against my skin as I have had odour issues in the past when wearing only synthetic fabrics.

Then the heated gear.

I then have a set of windstopper undergarments (tops and bottoms), then my leathers (2 piece zip together Dainese with the jacket having its own liner - as in the photos at the top of the post).

Balaclava with a Windstopper fabric for neck and a Macpac merino neck gaiter and Dainese Double Carbon Gloves winter gloves (D-Dry).

Bike is fitted with older Oxford heated grips with only a high, off, low 3 way switch.

I had intended to head out around lunch time for the East Coast via Campbell town and Lake Leake as it was a beautiful winters day.

In true Lillywhite fashion however (my surname) I ended up not getting away until 6.30pm. Mostly due to series of complications from me attempting and failing to fit my new Halcyon 820 barend mirrors and then having to revert back to the old ones, an unfortunate wardrobe malfunction and lastly reinstalling my headlight that required 2 trips to the local nuts and bolts shop.

Forecast on heading out was -1c but thankfully clear and dry. It was obviously after dark.

Given the conditions and my preference for wearing leather (which have nil thermal properties as far as I am concerned) the heated gear worked well. I'd have to say unless you have it on the high setting you are pretty much unaware that you are wearing it and the effect is rather subtle. In other words it is working without you particularly noticing and compared to my trip 2 weeks ago I was much more comfortable.

I was slightly paranoid about the battery life, in particular on the high setting (only 2 hours max) so I kept it on low or medium for the most part. I didn't want them running out when I am doing 110kms+ in sub zero temps. The lowest setting was probably not enough warmth for what I was wearing. A 2nd set of batteries is definitely on the wish list.

All in all, a positive report and I survived without hitting any black ice, possums or getting in a pub fight that night at the glorious Spring Bay hotel in Triabunna. Liza and Geoff the publicans, are fast becoming friends after my couple of trips there. I'm pretty sure that they think I'm a bit loopy ... oh well the truth hurts.

Cheers Taz.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Aug 09, 2015 2:15 pm

Well done. Welcome to empty roads when a little chill keeps other riders indoors.

Just tried out a set of Five Heating gloves - have Li-PO batteries in the cuffs. I charged up the batteries & rode out yesterday from Bundeena to Bald Hill - 2C through the park. With the setting on low, my hands were comfortable for the half hour ride. Standing around at Stanwell Tops froze my hands, so turned them to high for the return trip - 3C. By the time I reached Bundeena, one of the batteries was dead, supposed to be 3 hours on high, but only lasted 1/2 an hour on low & 1/2 an hour on high. They did throw in another set of batteries, so I'll have to test those too, to see if I can actually get 3 hours on high from them. Watch this page.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Aug 09, 2015 3:26 pm

Mal a few charge/discharge cycles should see them come good - if not send 'em back.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Aug 09, 2015 6:46 pm

Thanks, Tony, I'll try that. They say we've another cold front hitting Tuesday, so I expect to get a few "ideal test conditions" this week
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sat Aug 29, 2015 2:40 pm

Well, so much for the real life testing of the Five gloves! Muggins here left home without the charger. Did get to use them the first day - the battery lasted most of the day on low, but they were pretty warm even without power. Also kept the rain out - light rain from Dubbo on, which turned heavy for the last hour to Trangie. Dried near a little heater at the pub over about four hours. With the batteries, I'd say they'd be decent, but full testing will have to wait.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Sun Sep 06, 2015 9:50 pm

Gents,
After enduring a -5℃ / 40min run across northern Tas early June, I grabbed a pair of the Venture heated glove liners from Zarkie, delivered within days.
I have several different pairs of 'the best winter gloves available' that are good to about +3℃ at best.
With the liners however.... mmmmm toasty.... without getting hot or sweaty!
Wiring to the bike = simple. No controls, just plugged in or not.
The female plug end just pokes out from under the front of the seat, and hides under the tail of my tank bag base, and allows for auto unplug when muppet dismounts without thinking...
I do have an issue with the liner end plug however.
Under the glove and jacket cuff, the sizeable plug pushes on my wrist bone (end of the radius) and gives me grief after about 10 minutes.
Solution: wear the left on the right and vice versa... plug now resides under wrist out of the way!
Have contacted Venture to verify that this 'wearing against the pre curvature' won't damage the liners, and suggest their focus group revisit the placement of the inputs.

-there is only so long you can ride with the throttle locked and both hands on the pots!!
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Sep 07, 2015 3:11 am

Well done! Now you won't leave home without them, at least until mid summer, and in Tassie, maybe not even then.

After the batteries wore out on the Flinders trip, I just had to make do with the Powerlet glove liners (sic) when it got too nippy. Very happy I didn't forget those as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:21 pm

interested in this, as i have reached the age where i want to increase the months i ride and still be warm and toasty
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PostSubject: Re: Heated Clothing? - Tips & Insights welcome....   Mon Sep 07, 2015 1:42 pm

I have a GERBINGS heated jacket and gloves as well as KOSO heated grips and a pair of these (clicky below) with a spare set of batteries. I don't believe in suffering in the cold anymore. Too old for that shit.

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