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Pete Roper
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PostSubject: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:34 pm

Well, the pics and stats are finally out for the *New* Guzzi V9 and guess what? It's just another version of the ancient heron head smallblock with a crappy twin shock frame, lousy forks and hipster styling.

I honestly fear that any thought of innovation or novelty has been ruthlessly crushed by Piaggio who want Guzzi to become a 'Cruiser' and 'Classic' brand. What a terrible shame. As I head towards retirement I become more and more disillusioned with what's happening in Mandello. It looks like GRiSO may be the last 'Fast Roadster' the factory will produce in my lifetime. After this it looks like they will be condemned to making chopperesque clown vehicles and grossly obese bagger-barges. What a crock of shit.

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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 12:46 pm

Yep, I was hoping for a V7 with uprated single shock suspension and a pokier 850 motor, 50lbs lighter then the GRiSO......
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:03 pm

A hi-cam, 4V motor coupled with the nuovo six speed in a light, modern chassis would be brilliant! A fat tyred fairground attraction with a hogged out Herron head chuffer? Not so much.....
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:13 pm

Well, all the arse-clowns on WG will be beside themselves because this V9 turd is a real motorcycle. I bare my arse and fart in their general direction. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:17 pm

Well, give us a look at this pile of poo.
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:30 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 1:42 pm

Here are the promotional shots.

And what a crap name 'Roamer'! BLORCH!


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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 2:41 pm

Cor, there's a lot of heat coming from that Richard the third, must be vindaloo based
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:00 pm

beetle wrote:
Well, all the arse-clowns on WG will be beside themselves because this V9 turd is a real motorcycle. I bare my arse and fart in their general direction. [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]

I read that thread on WG as well and I had a kick out of the "real" motorcycle approach. lol
Bunch of cunts!

I myself, was hoping for a liquid cooled Le Mans type of bike and I have the feeling that if it ever happens, it's a GRiSO replacement. Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 3:40 pm

I don't go to WG anymore, and certainly don't need to read any thread about the V9 to know they'd be sweaty & tumescent. Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 7:20 pm

Egad. Looks like they want to compete head-on with HD in the boring turd market. What a disappointment. confused Doesn't even look Italian.
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:31 pm

In the WG thread Paul posted up a pic of what certainly looked like a taller head and barrel with the rocker cover off which I think was supposed to be the *New* V9 and yes, it still had pushrods and two parallel valves per cylinder. The higher rocker covers seem to be purely a stylistic excercise and the much vaunted 'Power Increase' would seem to be in line with what one would expect with a small  capacity increase ind Bugger all else.

The shame is that although not powerful the current single TB smallblock with the Nuovo Six Speed behind it is actually a very nice little motive package. It's comaratively light, economical, torquey and more than capable of eating long distances at or slightly above the speed limits in most places.

What makes it such a fail in my book is that it uses a crap, antiquated frame and lousy suspension both front and rear. The rear has twin shocks still fer crying out loud, this limits both control and travel and the swingarm pivoting on the gearbox is an inherent weak point that has crippled the Smallblock on anything other than Tarmac since its inception in the 1970's.

Stick that motive package in a mini Stelvio with rising rate suspension and a reactive drive and a decent set of forks and I, and plenty of other Guzzi faithful, would be all over it like a rash.

This??...??...?? Abomination! I wouldn't be seen on one with a bucket on my head!

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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 9:55 pm

Lame!

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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:10 pm

They could have at the very least give it a bit of styl, FUCK. I thought after the GRiSO they would have built something mind blowing.
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sat Nov 14, 2015 9:05 am

Guys...I still see potential in this bike.
Would take a bit of work but with Ohlins suspension and the V7 tank it would be big improvement.
Of course, using the Bellagio frame and CARC would have been a better start...
I'm getting spoiled with the single arm, tire change is a breeze.
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sat Nov 14, 2015 11:36 am

much prefer RossoPuro's and ghezzi's Bellagio variants. IMHO, they missed the mark and as said above, doesn't look Italian. Suspect pig Sleep

Too bad these didn't make it to the states. I'd put in an airbox though.
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:56 pm

My favorite was the one built with the 8V engine but not with carbs and 5 speed...
Basically cram that mill in the Bellagio while using the whole GRiSO harness. Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:59 pm

And there was a policeman, eating a pie,
when a hot steaming turd, hit him right in the eye!
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:24 am

Bad news from the austrian distributor Faber "There will be no 2016 GRiSO. We will only sell the remaining 2015th."

Happy to own one and still hoping there will be a real succesor.

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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:35 am

Death to Piaggio!
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:39 am

The end of the GRiSO is a shame but I was expecting it. I have a horrible feeling that all of the 1200's will follow shortly. It would appear that Piaggio has decided that the Guzzi name is only to be associated with motorcycles that will appeal to the deeply conservative. A crying shame.

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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:07 am

Time for the faithful to rise up and speak, shall we organize one of them email petitions and demand the models we desire.
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:51 am

My guess is that the ABS contributed to it... instead of redesigning the GRiSO to make room for the pump and all, they decided to drop the model.
Going to a single throttle body with a different airbox would have been the only place to fit a pump without destroying the look...

How long are they making parts I wonder? Does it stops as soon as the model is discontinued?
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:10 am

They already have a big fat cruiser. Why dumb down the entire line? What a stupid mistake. The Japanese have already saturated the HD clone market. Maybe there is hope that a GRiSO-ish bike will show up wearing the Aprilia name? Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: Verily! The turd has landed!   Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:46 am

Grisonut wrote:


How long are they making parts I wonder? Does it stops as soon as the model is discontinued?

Don't worry, they are not that stupid.
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