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PostSubject: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 9:51 pm

I'm liking it! What do you all think? They've got an 8v in a bllack V7 at about the 3:15 mark too.

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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:04 pm

Tony posted the link a while back. its just another iteration of an ancient, under framed and suspended shitter with a weak gearbox and clutch never designed to take even the basic power of the 8V motor dressed up for...???? Well?? Old blokes like the narrator who's lives shrivelled up at about the same time as their penises.

Its a shitty, poorly thought out dinosaur built to appeal to clueless pinheads and folk who really wish they'd actually got a shag back in the 1970's.

YOMV.

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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:09 pm

1151 wrote:
I'm liking it! What do you all think?  They've got an 8v in a bllack V7 at about the 3:15 mark too.

Correction.
They have an 8V motor in a Tonti (big block) chassis with a black V7 tank/seat fitted.
You will never fit any big block engine in any V7 chassis. (other than the original V7 of the 70's)
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:24 pm

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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 10:34 pm

steamer or what?
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:27 pm

I am tired of all these cafe bikes, they are starting to look the same

wondering when the craze will be over scratch
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:37 pm

12th of never at 4 pm, Phang
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:38 pm

Thanks for the update on the bike's Tonti frame Ghezzi.

Despite seeing it mentioned in a few previous posts I was still a bit clueless as to what makes it different. Was wondering how that bike would carry the weight of the larger engine thinking it was a smaller frame. Now I know....and I guess it is still not quite adequate. cheers

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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:47 pm

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:
12th of never at 4 pm, Phang

Someone got to think of a way to steer the hipsters to electric motorcycle

so that they will leave the motorcycles alone.
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Wed Nov 25, 2015 11:48 pm

Having been raised on a diet of various spaghetti framed rice burners, the idea of too much power for a chassis would just bring back fond memories of the hippy hippy shake shake.

Knowing how strong and rigid a Tonti is compared to the above, it would handle 115HP much better than a stock Z1 chassis with a Yoshi big bore kit, cams and Mikuni smooth bores. We did however put that motor into a Rickman frame. Much better thank you.

I assume the 8V Tonti would have been braced in a few places as well.
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Thu Nov 26, 2015 2:00 am

It's not just the frame, although I think the 8V is wasted in a Tonti, it's the fact it's using a gearbox and clutch originally designed to take 50 HP and expecting it, (And the bevelbox.) to take over twice their intended power and torque capacity and remain reliable. Before anyone bleats about how way back when there were 100+HP Guzzi big block racers that used these components just remember the word is 'Racer' which means everything in the entire machine has a lifespan measured in hours and if it breaks you throw it away and replace it!

How many of you are familiar with the old five speed? It was, in its day, a good design and it is certainly strong but the input and output shafts are LONG meaning they wil try and bend and if it's a helical cut box the end thrust will eventually reach a point where it will simply blow the end case off!

The twin plate clutch had to be beefed up with two extra springs even with a poorly tuned 'Old' 8V was fragile and had a Herculean lever pull. Imagine what it's going to be like in this pants-wettingly *Powerful* beast. All I'll say about the bevelbox is I've seen two in my life that have 'Burst'. The results weren't nice.

Of course if your real agenda is to have something you think will bask you in glory from other like minded ignorami as you putter down country lanes looking like a hybrid refugee from a 1960's/70's 'Golden age' that in reality never existed then you will of achieved your task spectacularly! And spent a LOT of money into the bargain which will give you some 21'st century cred as its an established fact that *Real* class is either polished perfection or effluent with a wheel at each end and wasted money works every time.

I used to love a nice 'Cafe' Guzzi. Nowadays I want to run them over with a monster truck!

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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Thu Nov 26, 2015 1:43 pm

That would be a standard tune monster truck, Pete? Wouldn't want it to break anything in the process...
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:55 am

I still think that those boys are very clever.
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:18 am

If you've got $75K you can have one of your own. Viva la Fiesta
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:26 am

They're not nearly as clever as they think they are Dave. Really.
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PostSubject: Re: 1380cc 8V Cafe Guzzi   Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:56 am

I don't know which frame would be the best to use as I don't know shit about Guzzis really.
I loved the GRiSO and I bought one, well...three. lol and now maybe a fourth one, we'll see.
I haven't touched any other models old or new so I'm clueless about the pros and cons about them.
If my bike gets totaled, I plan to buy it back and build my own Cafe (I'd call it retro actually) and show all these pecker heads how it ought to be done.
And yes, it will have front and rear fenders with side covers!!
If you guys think that I'm blowing smoke well, fuck off! Very Happy
I'm a mad fabricator and very good at welding so that job wouldn't be much of a challenge to me.

I will need to find a wrecked GRiSO 8V, not just the drive train...
I want the whole deal because I'll reuse the whole wiring harness with its cluster and ECU as well as the forks.
Plug and play and Mark's map. Done...
None of this 5spd crap with carburators etc... will jive with me Mad . Looking good is not good enough, I want going good. Smile
I just need to get educated on which frame to use if it has to be a Guzzi one.
The Bellagio would be best but unobtanium in the US...
Guzzis are not plentiful and wrecked ones even less but building a cool retro one with modern tech is tempting to me. Twisted Evil

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