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PostSubject: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:48 am

Hi sorry if this is a dumb question and i have searched the site bit could someone please tell me where the oil pressure sensor is on the G1100 ? I am geting the oilcan - service warning and the oil level is fine

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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Sat Sep 24, 2016 8:52 am

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Is this the same for the 1100
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:06 am

The 1100 sensor lives just to the left of the point where the oil feed 'Y' pipe is attatched to the top of the block at the front of the valley.

Best way to access it is drop the LH header and then it should be easily accessible with a (?) 21mm spanner, might be 23mm. Can't remember.

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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Sat Sep 24, 2016 9:07 am

Thanks Pete much appreciated
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Sat Sep 24, 2016 10:59 am

Take a look at the connector on top of the sensor - I had the same issue with my 1100.
I have a typical crappy Italian electrical connection on mine - some kind of slide-on connector over a central post.

If you have Gynecologists fingers you can reach in from the side.
I used emery paper to remove corrosion, then crimped it a little tighter, and put shrink tubing over it.
Been fine (touches wood) for 3 years now.
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:17 am

Thanks will give it a try
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:17 am

You say, I see appear on the dashboard the oil can.
Okay, but is that the oil can is lit while you drove ?
Attention to pressure fault.
pressure control gauge.
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:33 am

jean cool wrote:
You say, I see appear on the dashboard the oil can.
Okay, but is that the oil can is lit while you drove ?
Attention to pressure fault.
pressure control gauge.
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it was the red triangle with the oil can, from what i have read it is most commonly the the sensor or the connector - I certainly hope its nothing more sinister.
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:17 am

What year is your 1100?
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Tue Sep 27, 2016 12:41 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
What year is your 1100?
Its a 2007 and has done 15k miles
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Tue Sep 27, 2016 4:57 pm

OK, not wishing to cause a panic but there is a possibility, albeit a very slim one, that it might be the oil pump going west. Failing or failed senders don't usually cause the 'Oil Can' symbol to appear.

Being a 2007 there is a very slim possibility that, providing it has the Gerotor type oil pump, the outer rotor may of broken up. This is a problem that affected a handful of early Norges and I've not been aware of any other machines succumbing to the problem but that doesn't mean it doesn't affect them!

Of course try the switch first but if the problem persists it's really worth inspecting the pump.

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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Tue Sep 27, 2016 11:26 pm

Hello

On the sensor, it is the poor quality of contact that creates a ground fault in the pre start-up test.
Turning the key in the Dashboard is looking for a ground test of good Operates in the sensor and does not find it; 07 + code red triangle and service.
Dsb 07 sensor defaut
Dsb 08 oil can pressure
Look and clears errors in the Dashboard, menu diagnostic.

Question ?
Is the ground fault is detected on dashboard with general alarm display when you turn the key off/on Question .
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Wed Sep 28, 2016 9:49 am

I have re checked, what I am getting when I turn on is it goes through its sweep cycle the the red oil can in the vertical strip stays on I start the engine and this stays on and after a 5 secs the service message comes up......not the triangular oil can As I first implied

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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Wed Sep 28, 2016 12:30 pm

Hello
Stop !  Embarassed
Do not start the engine.
Test the oil sensor and check the insulation of the circuit and its continuity.
When you turn the key on it, must regain the ground (mass) contact on the sensor before starting either repairing the circuit and/or by changing the sensor.
Possibly we should think of monitoring the condition of the pump circuit filter.
But not start the engine until repairs.
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Wed Sep 28, 2016 1:54 pm

jean cool wrote:
Hello
Stop !  Embarassed
Do not start the engine.
Test the oil sensor and check the insulation of the circuit and its continuity.
When you turn the key on it, must regain the ground (mass) contact on the sensor before starting either repairing the circuit and/or by changing the sensor.
Possibly we should think of monitoring the condition of the pump circuit filter.
But not start the engine until repairs.

WHY not start the engine , if its just the sensor which is what it really sounds like ...
I had this problem with my 1100 every now and then the service warning lamp would come on with the oil can , when I turned the motor off and then started it again  it would not happen (it was intermitant) ...eventually when the part came in  I replaced the sensor and made the conection better to the wire to the sensor ...

no problems since...none ...it was probably just the connection.. but to get to the sensor was the same amount of work so I did the both ...
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:00 pm

He has a point. If there is an oil pressure problem it will kill the engine. Panic though is not needed. Swap the switch. If it still does it? Then go into the pump and check the OPRV.

Thing is the system is virtually bulletproof. The only bikes I've heard of with the outer rotor problem are early Norges, almost all of them red, (Eh Bill?). As I said, caution, not panic, is the order of the day.

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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Wed Sep 28, 2016 2:52 pm

Thanks guys, I am leaving till the weekend when I will investigate the pressure switch connection and change if necessary. I f that dosent fix I will reappraise the situation re the pump, is there a way of seeing if it is the trochoidal type easily ?
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Wed Sep 28, 2016 7:32 pm

I may be able to tell you from the Vin or engine #.
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 2:18 am

thanks Pete

VIN ZGULS00007M114376
Engine KS14386
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 5:46 am

As your engine is after KS13769 it has the later trochoidal pump. The one that caused problems on a few Norges.
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 6:07 am

hmm thanks I suspected so as I have been doing a bit of research, so I am hoping the pressure switch solves things have ordered one and we shall see

thanks for the assistance
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 8:44 am

Pete Roper wrote:
As your engine is after KS13769 it has the later trochoidal pump. The one that caused problems on a few Norges.

interesting ...thought to check my engine serial # as well  it is KS 014272 ...6 Digits instead of five , do you use the 0 as part of the sn# or is the sn# KS 14272 ,  had to ask scratch
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:26 am

Fucked if I know? I logged on to the factory site, (Which for me, on holiday, in a different hemispheres! Is a bit of a chore.)

I then relayed the info and may of missed a zero in the fucking number! Jeez! Give me a bloody break!
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 11:51 am

Pete Roper wrote:
Fucked if I know? I logged on to the factory site, (Which for me, on holiday, in a different hemispheres! Is a bit of a chore.)

I then relayed the info and may of missed a zero in the fucking number! Jeez! Give me a bloody break!

meh... doesn't really matter all that much , for all we know Guzzi could stamp whatever the frick  they wanted on to the engine block with the 1100 motor , and I wouldn't be surprised if there are 1100 engines that aren't consistent as to other parts as the ones put together the day before .. as far as the oil pumps they would use them up till they were gone eh ... .........so probably pretty hit and miss
If it breaks ill fix it Cool
Enjoy your Vacation time Pete ...I know I would be,  in Italy
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PostSubject: Re: 1100 oil pressure sensor   Thu Sep 29, 2016 12:11 pm

Sorry. Being a grouch. Spent the day around the western side of the bottom of Lake Como. Anyone who wonders why the Europeans are so concerned about pollution should visit here and just look! Despite having the tightest regs in the world the sky is still brown and the views are covered by smog unless there is a strong wind blowing.

Euro 5? Bring it on! If humans aren't clever enough to build clean vehicles perhaps it's time to hand over to the cockroaches! Sure some of the current rules are silly in their simplicity but as a rule they WORK! I'm more than happy with the performance of my *Everyday* vehicles that meet regulations easily! For my 'Fun' machines? Well? Fun has a price. A price many are unwilling to pay. Therefore *Cheating* will remain the province of the few and will be ignored as it isn't the source of the *Problem*.

Quiet and clean! What could be better?

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