GRiSO (Red Devil from Germany) with PVM Wheels

Tiradritto Posts : 354 Join date : 2014-08-26 Age : 56

Nice!
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- shock: Fournales
- side covers: Däs-Mototec
- silencer: Arrow etc.

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The owner writes:
- weight with gasoline: 229 kg
- 7 kg less spring mounted mass
- 5.4 kg less rotating mass

I am not sure if I translated this correctly, here is the German text:

Quote :: Meine GRiSO wiegt jetzt vollgetankt 229 kg. Hat ca. 7kg ungefederte Massen und 5,4 kg rotierende Massen weniger.

Tiradritto Posts : 354 Join date : 2014-08-26 Age : 56

Must be those:
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GRiSO Capo Posts : 1722 Join date : 2014-07-03

All interesting ... tho those red valve-cover fasteners would gag a maggot. Rolling Eyes

Seriously, thanks for posting.

Bill

GRiSO Capo Posts : 621 Join date : 2018-10-04 Age : 60

Thanks for sharing Thumbs Up

GRiSO Capo Posts : 1329 Join date : 2015-08-09 Age : 59

nice turn of phrase there Counsellor, as always!

Don Abbondio Posts : 1017 Join date : 2015-02-27 Age : 77

Bill Hagan wrote:: All interesting ... tho those red valve-cover fasteners would gag a maggot.

Seriously, thanks for posting.

Bill

And he's going to scratch them next time he does the tappets, and the next time, and the one following. By then the cheese they are made from may have rounded out & he'll need new ones. But it only a detail the rest works OK.

Nibbio Posts : 573 Join date : 2015-02-09 Age : 70

Smart looking bike there. Thanks for sharing.

Grignapoco Posts : 104 Join date : 2019-02-17 Age : 46

Looks great! Love the PVM wheels, in fact, I see a set of the 5Y in my GRiSO's future... I love you

GRiSO Capo Posts : 29 Join date : 2014-09-22 Age : 72

Leone wrote:: Looks great! Love the PVM wheels, in fact, I see a set of the 5Y in my GRiSO's future...

Agree 100%. Tired of waiting,in fact have just sent an inquiry off to Das Mototec. Maybe the lightening of my wallet will also improve handling & performance.Lipstick on a pig??? Who wants to ride an ugly pig??

GRiSO Capo Posts : 28 Join date : 2015-10-09

I just finished installing these over this past weekend: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Took 16 months to arrive through Däs Mototec, however, Roland Däs explained that this was partly due to PVM moving to a new facility (and of course the standard Covid supply-chain "X" factor).

If you bite the bullet, hopefully yours arrive faster.

Carlotto Posts : 48 Join date : 2019-04-08

il Postino wrote:: I just finished installing these over this past weekend. Took 16 months to arrive through Däs Mototec, however, Roland Däs explained that this was party due to PVM moving to a new facility (and of course the standard Covid supply-chain "X" factor).

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If you bite the bullet, hopefully yours arrive faster.

How much for the set?

GRiSO Capo Posts : 28 Join date : 2015-10-09

groundhog105 wrote:: How much for the set?

The PVM 6-spoke version like mine are presently listed for 2,295.00 EUR on the Däs Mototec website. At the present EUR to USD exchange rate, it equates to roughly 1:1.

GRiSO Capo Posts : 29 Join date : 2014-09-22 Age : 72

il Postino wrote:

groundhog105 wrote:: How much for the set?

The PVM 6-spoke version like mine are presently listed for 2,295.00 EUR on the Däs Mototec website. At the present EUR to USD exchange rate, it equates to roughly 1:1.

I have not received a reply from Das Mototec yet but the price quoted on their website says VAT included,which is not applicable to USA purchases in my past experiences (past 12 months from the Netherlands),so price quoted should be less 19% which makes them a little more affordable. We shall see when I (hopefully) get a reply. No matter,I still want them.

Don Abbondio Posts : 301 Join date : 2015-08-20

I'm tempted.... but that $$$ could go a long way in other areas, so currently thinking it over....

Carlotto Posts : 48 Join date : 2019-04-08

That’s not bad for a set of PVM wheels

GRiSO Capo Posts : 29 Join date : 2014-09-22 Age : 72

Wheels no longer a problem. Das mototec emailed a reply today, says not available in foreseeable future.
Says they asked PVM,they said wheels no longer available. Das has now removed the listing from their website. Oh well.

Grignapoco Posts : 104 Join date : 2019-02-17 Age : 46

Major bummer!

I never ordered these wheels, but meant to at some point (not a big fan of the spokes, and liked the look and low weight of the PVMs).

Next time I'll recall Steve Winwood's advice and take the chance while I have it Crying or Very sad

GRiSO Capo Posts : 29 Join date : 2014-09-22 Age : 72

Leone wrote:: Major bummer!

I never ordered these wheels, but meant to at some point (not a big fan of the spokes, and liked the look and low weight of the PVMs).

Next time I'll recall Steve Winwood's advice and take the chance while I have it

Yeah,well I don't know that would have helped in this situation so I have done the next best thing for me which is to order a rear wheel adapter from Radical Guzzi to use Ducati 998 type rear wheel (don't know how to link but found info on this forum somewhere) on December 9. They took my payment & few days later sent email asking for additional payment to cover increased shipping to USA, so at least they know that I exist but have not replied with expected shipping date. I am thinking the part is made to order, so I will be patiently waiting to hear back from them. It was not inexpensive but cheaper than I could have designed,engineered,produced myself. I don't have a good reason but just don't like the three spoke wheels. Hoping for good result,will let you know how this turns out.
Later.

Tiradritto Posts : 354 Join date : 2014-08-26 Age : 56

Any idea who was the manufacturer of this one?:
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Radical Guzzi (unfortunately just a small image):
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GRiSO Capo Posts : 29 Join date : 2014-09-22 Age : 72

janguzzi wrote:: Any idea who was the manufacturer of this one?:
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Radical Guzzi (unfortunately just a small image):
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Hello Janguzzi, Checked your officine08 link,looks like same part as radicalguzzi item to me although they have only the small photo as you say. The officine08 price included VAT(19%?) not applicable to USA,so makes pricing on Radicalguzzi item look a little more palatable.I assumed that Radicalguzzi was the producer but now you make me uneasy.At least they are not showing discontinued.I am still hoping for good result.
Later

GRiSO Capo Posts : 29 Join date : 2014-09-22 Age : 72

whitmire wrote:

janguzzi wrote:: Any idea who was the manufacturer of this one?:
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Radical Guzzi (unfortunately just a small image):
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Hello Janguzzi, Checked your officine08 link,looks like same part as radicalguzzi item to me although they have only the small photo as you say. The officine08 price included VAT(19%?) not applicable to USA,so makes pricing on Radicalguzzi item look a little more palatable.I assumed that Radicalguzzi was the producer but now you make me uneasy.At least they are not showing discontinued.I am still hoping for good result.
Later

The part from officine08.com shows a steel spindle which bolts to the crownwheel with a disc adapter attached to the spindle. Looks like a good design to me but it is discontinued.
The part from Radicalguzzi arrived here today.It is most definitely not the same part. As you say there is only a small picture & if there had been a group of pictures as on officine08.com I most definitely would not have ordered it.This part is an aluminum disc adapter bolted to the crown wheel in the final drive with the original wheel bolts & a short flanged steel spindle bolted on top of the aluminum adapter with 4- 12mm x 25mm stainless flathead bolts,nice machine work,the 4 flathead bolts are the only thing holding the wheel on.Does not look like a good design to me. I emailed Stefan at Radicalguzzi to see about returning it & expressed my uneasiness with the spindle attachment,does not look like a good design to me. He tells me that they "use this on road with 164 horsepower 200nm tork. roadracing,dragracing,etc.Now you are telling me it is not safe?" "Not his problem". They must have one of those guzzitech todd motors with that kind of power. Another valuable life lesson.

Tiradritto Posts : 354 Join date : 2014-08-26 Age : 56

whitmire wrote:

janguzzi wrote:: Any idea who was the manufacturer of this one?:
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Radical Guzzi (unfortunately just a small image):
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Hello Janguzzi, Checked your officine08 link,looks like same part as radicalguzzi item to me although they have only the small photo as you say. The officine08 price included VAT(19%?) not applicable to USA,so makes pricing on Radicalguzzi item look a little more palatable.I assumed that Radicalguzzi was the producer but now you make me uneasy.At least they are not showing discontinued.I am still hoping for good result.
Later

The part from officine08.com shows a steel spindle which bolts to the crownwheel with a disc adapter attached to the spindle. Looks like a good design to me but it is discontinued.
The part from Radicalguzzi arrived here today.It is most definitely not the same part. As you say there is only a small picture & if there had been a group of pictures as on officine08.com I most definitely would not have ordered it.This part is an aluminum disc adapter bolted to the crown wheel in the final drive with the original wheel bolts & a short flanged steel spindle bolted on top of the aluminum adapter with 4- 12mm x 25mm stainless flathead bolts,nice machine work,the 4 flathead bolts are the only thing holding the wheel on.Does not look like a good design to me. I emailed Stefan at Radicalguzzi to see about returning it & expressed my uneasiness with the spindle attachment,does not look like a good design to me. He tells me that they "use this on road with 164 horsepower 200nm tork. roadracing,dragracing,etc.Now you are telling me it is not safe?" "Not his problem". They must have one of those guzzitech todd motors with that kind of power. Another valuable life lesson.

The most important question for me would be - is it street legal? I guess not!
I would send it back. If you have not used it you can send everything back withing 14 days (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retoure) but maybe this is only valid within Germany.

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Montanarolo Posts : 12 Join date : 2023-10-12

Hello,
I am from Germany and have modified my GRiSO a little further. Since I found my GRiSO here by chance, I would also like to share the latest status. Please excuse my poor English - a translation program will help.
.. I gave my GRiSO more color.
.. the footrest plates dismantled and replaced with solo footrest holders
.. Wave Brake Rotors
.. Rear wheel power 108 HP (Big Bore from Radicalguzzi)*
.. Weight with full tank now 225.5 kg
.. -7,5 kg spring mounted mass
.. -5,9 rotation mass

I have owned many motorcycles but this one will probably accompany me until the end of my motorcycle life.

* drives very nicely, hardly any more vibrations than standard - nothing shakes, no tooth filling falls out, even at max rpm and or top speed (German highway)!

Montanarolo Posts : 12 Join date : 2023-10-12

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Fra Cristoforo Posts : 772 Join date : 2016-04-14

What size is it? Nice wheels!

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