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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:38 pm

Tony, am I correct in assuming you will have your android device plus bluetooth dongle for the logging run on Saturday?
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:43 pm

Android yes, dongle I still can't get to work, but works in my car...
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:26 pm

Hmm. Sounds ominous. K, I bring mine.
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:59 pm

Mark, real progress on this latest map - NOICE! Have some more cred...
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Tue Dec 16, 2014 12:59 pm

Mark,

You are playing with my head! the latest map is like I just got ice cream, some very dark chocolate, some very nice dark (top shelf) rum and I ate the lot in one go!

More cred coming...

Now I known what you others (with the complicated top ends - 8V - sheesh) call buttery smooth. Still has the animal in when the hurry handle is given a bit of hurry up, has no issues bouncing off the rev limiter (8400) and is instantly connected at any RPM and is a total joy to ride. WOW!

Like you say, real close!

a BIG THANKS to Mark Beetle
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:25 pm

{insert tongue in cheek}
I might be a pretentious prick with a holier-than-thou attitude, but I reckon I can whips me up a good map, I does. Where's the toot-my-own-horn smiley?
{remove tongue}

Seriously, a custom map is a lovely thing.
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Tue Dec 16, 2014 1:42 pm

More cred (some for your ego too...)

You da man when it cum to map-magics - could be a blues track in there somewheres...
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:58 am

Currently remapping a 1200 Sport with a roller top end. The new map that is loaded after the conversion is an old 1-lambda Stelvio map. Waste not, want not, eh?

I made a hybrid map from the 2O2 Norge map, figuring as they have the same exhaust (and now technically the same cam profile) and it ran like shite. Yes yes, the 2 lambda maps have different breakpoints, but I interpolated the values to account for that. Worse case, it should have ran slightly rich or lean at those points. Nups. Shite.

So what s a girl to do? I modified the 'new' old Stelvio map with usual tables after the fashion I've used on other maps, and it ran better. After a couple of logging runs and map iterations, it's coming along just fine.

Here 'tis nestled with the GRiSO. Compared to Sport, the GRiSO feels more svelte.

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..and getting a new map...



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It is however, more 'pliant' on the road, even if odd riding position wants to shove your junk hard up against the tank! Suspect



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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:18 am

Get a grip man...

Nice wide bars to allow you to really push and shove into/out of turns
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:20 am

I see that one has one of those colostomy bags under it - don't expect too many miracles... Needs a new/better exhaust before singing really commences
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 1:48 am

Get a grip? No problem with how it handles if that is what you think. By pliant, I meant comfortable over bumps and rough shit. But it's no GRiSO, not even close. Razz

As far as the exhaust is concerned, I have zero interest in making it 'sing'. I'm just making the best map possible for a stock roller Sport.
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:10 am

fair nuff
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:23 pm

Tony, thing is the 8V really doesn't obey 'Convention' with regard to pipe and airbox mods. What works for your bike really won't work for an 8V sport. It's all down to the side draft head design and narrow included valve angle coupled with the Errr? *Odd* valve timing. It's this sort of 'Sticking the fingers in the ears and going 'La-La-La' loudly attitude rather than looking at the way the 8V works holistically that produces all the aftermarket options that drink fuel and have somewhat unsatisfactory performance at anything other than WFO.

The 8V heads, apart from an extra couple of valves, have almost as much in common with the extremely limited 'Smallblock' Herron heads as they do with the heads on a modern 'High Performance' engine. I'm actually pretty impressed with the performance that the factory has managed to drag out of the 8V but it'll never be a Dorsoduro beater and nor would I want it to be. It has a tremendous charm as a 'Road' motor and that's what it is. It is essentially the same *Sort* of fun as the previous 2VPC motor, there's just more of it! That isn't dissing the pushrod donk, just stating it like it is.

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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 7:32 pm

Mark (Mr. Beetle),

I've been on the sidelines so far, reading with interest, partially because I've been planning an exhaust upgrade.  Rather than wait any longer, could I try your "stock" map on the (quiet) beast? I've got the software, the cables, and a warm garage waiting for the magic.

Thanks in advance
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:25 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
*Odd* valve timing.


Tee hee.
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:29 pm

No worries John. PM me your email address and I'll flick you a map. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:45 pm

beetle wrote:
Pete Roper wrote:
*Odd* valve timing.


Tee hee.

Well, let's face it, the whole Moto Guzzi thing is pretty odd. Never mind Grisos

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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:38 pm

Mark,

I installed your stock map today (after a brief learning curve with Guzzidiag) and had time for a 30 minute ride.  It started and idled without issue and I could instantly feel how smoothly the revs built by just blipping the throttle.  Underway, the impression is simply one of smoothness and easier to ride.  The low end snatchiness with off/on throttle is gone, which means less clutch work at low rpms.

In short, I'm very happy and impressed with your excellent work.  It still blows my mind that folks on opposite sides of the globe can share experiences like this.

PS:  sorry all this is in the non-GRiSO thread, but I have a feeling the outcome is the same.

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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Tue Jan 06, 2015 10:53 pm

Excellent! Glad you like it.
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:49 pm

Mark/Beetle - as the owner of the 1200 grey beast snuggled up nicely in your garage (thanks for the pics - I have been missing her), I would just like to pass on my appreciation and thanks for your dedication and expertise in working towards rectifying the map conundrum.
Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Jan 07, 2015 1:10 pm

A pleasure. As it turns out, it's been much easier to do than a GRiSO. I'm enjoying myself immensely! But man, you have to get those front brakes fixed! Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:53 pm

Yes, they do make it? Errr? *Interesting* don't they! Very Happy dunno why but Sport 1200's particularly seem to suffer from warped discs. I can think of no logical reason why! Must be fun doing the full throttle top gear runs!

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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:33 pm

Most of them do not have warped disks. From experience (not just mine, but others as well) the bobbins are too tight in the disk carrier and the disks do not rotate/float freely. This causes pad material buildup, and hence the vibrations.

It is also very easy to fix, with a bolt in a drill, some brake cleaner and some patience. The bobbins can be rotated by the drill, the brake cleaner is put on the rotating bobbins until they are free.

Do go gently though, as I overdid one of my disks and now it is free to the point where is rattles at idle. I guess it rattles at revs too, but I have a louder noise emanating from the back end, that masks it. The rattle is annoying, but the brakes work smoothly and quite well.
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:37 pm

Mark Beetle,

This map iteration is as sweet as! Got a full log this morning and will do another on the commute home. Nice, very nice indeed.

Mucho gratitude
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PostSubject: Re: GuzziDiag for non-GRiSOs   Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:35 pm

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:
Most of them do not have warped disks. From experience (not just mine, but others as well) the bobbins are too tight in the disk carrier and the disks do not rotate/float freely. This causes pad material buildup, and hence the vibrations.

It is also very easy to fix, with a bolt in a drill, some brake cleaner and some patience. The bobbins can be rotated by the drill, the brake cleaner is put on the rotating bobbins until they are free.

Do go gently though, as I overdid one of my disks and now it is free to the point where is rattles at idle. I guess it rattles at revs too, but I have a louder noise emanating from the back end, that masks it. The rattle is annoying, but the brakes work smoothly and quite well.

I'll give it a try Tony. Nothing to loose by trying. Why is it that Sport's both 4 & 8 Valve seem to do it and other, basically identical, bikes don't scratch ?

Pete
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