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PostSubject: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 12:18 pm

Took the Tenni for a good hard ride in the Santa Monica Mountains yesterday. This morning I found that it had dropped a little oil on the garage floor. Bottom of the oil filter was wet, so put a filter wrench to it and found that it was surprisingly loose. So I turned it hand tight + 1/4 turn with the wrench. Just checked the manual and it says to only tighten by hand. That's obviously nuts because you can't get your hand around it enough to tighten it at all. How tight do you guys go with it?
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 1:49 pm

I kind of turn until I feel the squish of the gasket and then another tug.  No need to act the gorilla, just get it nice and snug.  Hand tight and a ¼ is probably in the same ball park.

I generally check mine every now and again between service intervals just to check for loosening.  I've never seen it happen on a CARC bike, but there's no room for a hose clamp either...

Oh, and don't forget to check your oil level. Probably didn't leave much up in the mountains, but you might have.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:22 pm

in the book:
15 Nm (11.06 lbf ft)
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 2:36 pm

Sometime a few years ago there was also a short run of filters with badly machined threads that were leak prone unless you cranked them down fairly tight.

I have to say I tend to be zealous in my tightening of them as having one come loose would be an expensive proposition! Over here one of the problems I often encounter with bikes that have been 'Serviced' by inexperienced or new dealers or owners is that they don't have a cap wrench that fits the filter so they just do them up as tight as they can by hand. Yes, they tend to leak...........

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 3:18 pm

Thanks guys. I checked the oil level and no visible decrease. But I hate to think what might have happened if I didn't notice the oil spot and took it for another hard ride without tightening the filter.
For those in the U.S.A. who need a filter wrench that fits, I found that Harbor Freight & Tool sells a four piece set for just $8. One of the 4 is a perfect fit and the other 3 are a bonus that you may end up needing one day.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:08 pm

Put a dab of torque seal on the oil filter and occasionally check the position of the filter. Cheap insurance - I do it whenever I check my tire pressure...
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:09 pm

You can by filter wrenches for the G on eBay.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Jul 06, 2014 11:16 pm

Only if you know which filter to buy.

Which the ones that came with my bike apparently aren't the correct ones.  I tried a couple of filter wrenches from a local shop; both failed to work.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:32 am

the eight flat is the same as the fiat 8 flat is the same as the Ducati wrench, after you remove the first one stick with the new 14 flat filters and common wrench...if you need the 8 just get a duc wrench
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sat Mar 28, 2015 6:48 pm

A Fram PH6022 fits very well on my GRiSO and is 1/2 times again as long as stock. More filtering matrix and they actually protrude about 3/4" out of the filter well, assisting with oil cooling and getting a grip on them at changing time. A 16 flat wrench works on them.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:02 pm

Why is anyone still buying Fram filters?
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:42 pm

Believe me the last thing you need to do on an 8V is increase its cooling!

Fram filters are almost unbelievably poxy with a glued-up and failure prone element and totally unreliable bypass pressure control. I'd rather pour molten lead up my blurter than have one anywhere near any vehicle of mine!

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sat Mar 28, 2015 8:03 pm

Great, a coke can full of oil protruding thru the sump pan.
One small rock, a pin hole and a eventually a blown engine ......................... if you don't crash in a corner first.

Recently towed a GSX1400, going slowly over speed bump something caught his sump bolt, ripped a big hole & dumped 3 litres of Motul's finest under his back wheel ........................
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Mar 29, 2015 4:51 am

Always do 'em by hand... I twist the filter until my fierce power is depleted. Twisted Evil
Oh and yeah, Fram is junk. Simple as that.
I use the Bosh 3330. It's shelf available at almost any part store in the US and retails for $6.00. Thumbs Up
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:35 am

I stand chastised and corrected! After my post I read the thread on the oil filter dissection and immediately regretted my post, and my choice of Fram filters! I'll be removing it and replacing with UFI, hopefully regaining my motor's security and my manhood in the process!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Sun Mar 29, 2015 8:24 am

woodrow53 wrote:
I stand chastised and corrected! After my post I read the thread on the oil filter dissection and immediately regretted my post, and my choice of Fram filters! I'll be removing it and replacing with UFI, hopefully regaining my motor's security and my manhood in the process!

Good move Woodrow and don't feel bad about your post. Without it, you would probably still be running that Fram...now you know.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:19 am

Good thing you did your research early in the life of the bike.

Now we can return to the normal emasculation in progress. At no extra charge.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:15 am

Grisonut wrote:
Always do 'em by hand... I twist the filter until my fierce power is depleted. Twisted Evil
Oh and yeah, Fram is junk. Simple as that.
I use the Bosh 3330. It's shelf available at almost any part store in the US and retails for $6.00. Thumbs Up

I found this interesting...

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:02 am

Yeah I found out that my 2014 Ford Fusion uses a Motorcraft 910S and it fits the bike but I'm a little leery about using car stuff on the GRiSO.
I have no clues as to why it has to be different on bikes but I'm not gonna tempt the devil...
The Purolator 16822 is discontinued and it was designed for motorcycles only.
I have used the Hiflo 551 but it's not readily available on shelves.
The Bosh 3330 is designed for motorcycles as well and lots of Guzzistis use it so I'll stick with that for now.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:19 am

Most filters use a similar filtering medium. It's how they are constructed and most importantly thier bypass pressure that is critical for ensuring they can do their job. No point in having the best filtering medium in the world if it falls apart or the case separates from the base or it bypasses at normal operating pressure.

In Oz there are still lots of people who by a bike like a GRiSO, which here is a $21K bike, and then think they are having a real win by saving $5.00 every 10,000 km when they buy some aftermarket filter that fits but they know nothing about! Their choice, but I think it's barmy, and yes, if you come into my workshop and start gasconading, shouting about warranty and poking me in the chest, (Yes, that has happened!) and I take a quick look under your sump and see a non factory filter you will be eating a huge bowl of dicks and receiving no warranty on ANYTHING to do with your bike! Be reasonable? Fine, but it's at my discretion. I don't ask you buy the filters from me but fer fuck's sakes just do the right bloody thing!

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:03 pm

I buy filters from you. Only the best for my G. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:10 pm

Funny thing. I bought a Bosch 3330 for my last oil change just to give it a try vs. my usual Hi-Flo. Weird thing was, it just wouldn't spin on. So I checked the box, sure enough 3330, so I check the filter itself, 3330 - check.

Damn thing would not thread on the post. So I pulled a Hi-Flo off the shelf and it spins right on.

Possibly a QC issue with the Bosch, but I think I'll be sticking with the Hi-Flo, readily available shipped to my door, don't even need to run up the the auto parts store.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 3:44 pm

Actually, a Hiflo came out of the bike. I got it from Amazon at the time since the Purolator was discontinued.
I never had trouble fitting the Bosh, it goes in by hand like any other and that's all I use now.
Yours must had messed up threads or something...

I get my oil on line though (Motul) but I like readily stuff in case of unexpected oil change or defective filters like the UNI that was leaking on my G1100 when the bike only had 200 miles on it


@Pete: Anybody that comes to my place of business and poke me in the chest will get a knuckle sandwich real quit like and find himself on his ass just as quick! It happened before and I don't put up with that shit.
Oh and thanks for your input as always. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:23 pm

I find the HiFlo quite good but generally can't get them off the shelf. However, find a dealer who can get them and order 3 or 4 in one go - works for them and keeps you in stock - use the last one and start the process over again - simples!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil Filter: Hand tight + 1/4 turn?   Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:05 am

Can't see whats wrong with using the genuine UFI unless you live in Bongobongo land, for the sake of a few quid Shocked
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