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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:02 am

Camn,

Teres are quite a lot of pad mixtures at brembo alone. And they have different ones for the oem manufacturers. Then some time Brembo has started renumbering the pad mixtures. I can easy immagine that for the RSV they took a more agressive pad mix then for a v11, what is a slow bike compared to the rsv. In the past I had the original pads in the 4 pad radial RSV calipers, And I liked them a lot.
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Sun Aug 10, 2014 10:10 am

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v11, what is a slow bike compared to the rsv
And some 70 kg:s heavier - you could think that a heavy bike needs good brakes... Actually I was mainly thinking that if both sintered and oganic pads are used for the same disc, the sintered should not wear out the disc too fast on a GRiSO either...?


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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Sun Aug 10, 2014 8:12 pm

sintered pads by different makers are different compounds the big thing is if you are going to change compounds you have to prep the rotor properly then bed correctly...the oem pads are avail from Guzzi for the get ready for this $119 for the rears, and $139 each set for the fronts so about $400 usd for pads. if you get ahold of brembo the EXACT same pads are $29.99 rear, and $45 each set for the fronts....sheesh

Brembo Rates their pads by friction coefficient, within the style and offers a lot of compounds, there is more though to the choice like what the friction is hot vs cold, and how it fades...most people do not really have to consider this much but if you have long like (9-10-20miles) of sweeping 9-10% downhill grade roads the hot fade matters.

The grimeca rotors are really good they take being turned blue without complaint, as long as they get just a little cool off at the end of a run, and the oem pads do not delaminate at very high temps.

If you want to improve this braking system pads are not going to do much, a new master cyl to improve the ratio would be good as would smaller bore brake lines(the lines would be a really minimal gain), we have really good lines though. (600 degree fluid and change frequently!)

Galfer HH pads have nice high temp fade(ie not much) and are easy on rotors, but they do not last as long as some of the others
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Mon Aug 18, 2014 7:31 am

IMHO the brakes on my '14 GRiSO SUCK! I'm used to one finger application on all my other sport bikes. I realize the GRiSO is a heavier bike, but these brakes actually scared me the first couple times I rode the bike. Definately a 2 finger pull as compared to my Ducati's and MV Agusta's.

What would be the easiest way to get better performance? I hoping just a simple pad swap, but in reading this thread I'm not seeing one pad that stands out. Uzidzit seems to have the most knowledge. Any part #'s recommended? I found some Galfer HH pads, but they build 2 models of pads, so which one would be best?

I live in a moderate climate (LA area) and don't ride in the rain. I commute and do some moderate sport riding on the GRiSO.

I'm not really concerned with how long the pads last as pads are cheap. What I'm concerned with is good braking, feel, and not eating my rotors in 20,000 miles.

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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:02 pm

I changed the calipers to the M4 brembo like on 1098 ducati and some MV/KTM.
They are not so expensive at bike breakers. Other thing to change is the master cylinder. I have the original on the stelvio, and a pr19 radial on the daytona with same calipers, there is still a huge difference. The PR19 is not so recommended, because it has no brakelibht switch, and the oilpressure switch is late with working. The new RCS 19 brembo is the better version. Cheap alternative is the semi radial as on newer ducati/aprlia rsv and others.
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Mon Aug 18, 2014 12:46 pm

Did you notice a big difference with just the M4 Caliper swap, staying with the stock master cylinder?

It seems the stock calipers are P432's, which are 32mm pistons. The M4's are 34mm pistons. I'm wondering how the stock master cylinder "feel" is with the M4's?

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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Mon Aug 18, 2014 1:43 pm

The difference is half way from the feel I have on the daytona, I might end up replacing the master too. On the other hand, I use this for easy touring so it is enough. I did drive a few miles on a stock stelvio after I was used to the M4's , thats when you notice what you miss.
The m4 is a monobloc caliper, and has a big pad area. I use them with the stock MV pads that came with it. Will be some sort of brembo. The most agressive, one finger pads I had were lucas srq, but they wear very quick. It's a track only pad.
The worst were performance friction carbon pads, they don't feel like they are doing much and after 1000 km in a weekend with lots of rain they were totally gone, so much I had metal-metal
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:09 pm

@Uzidzit

What model bremo brake pads fit the rear?
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Fri Mar 04, 2016 5:44 pm

Am I assuming correct in the brembo TT2701 HH Shown on AF1 page? I can find for much cheaper other places online

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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:30 pm

Threw a couple M4 calipers at my GRiSO and they seem to have stuck. These are black ones off a KTM RC8R. I threw in some EBC HH pads as well.


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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Tue Mar 08, 2016 4:57 pm

so Mark,
The Power of Guzzi propels you
and
The Power of Brembo stops you?
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 12:44 am

So how does it work Mark?
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:05 am

Well, on the right handle bar there is a lever, if you squeeze it gently with your four fingers, the bike will slow down.
Apparently.
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:15 am

My guess is fucking awesome.

One of the things I'm grateful for is the fact I realise I'm now too old and slow to take advantage of the real ragged edge. Sad though it is my bod is in decline and such great kit would be entirely wasted on me.

Why grateful? Well it's saving me some money innit? Very Happy

I am going to spend more money on my forks and a different spring for the back of mine but more brakes? I'm ten years too late. Boo! Hiss!

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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 2:34 am

pauldaytona wrote:
So how does it work Mark?

Pete Roper wrote:
My guess is fucking awesome.



I hope so. Couldn't test them due to 'work' getting in the way. How bothersome. I expect to get a test ride in tomorrow.

Although I'm not as fast I think I was, I still like to stop.
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Wed Mar 09, 2016 1:57 pm

Just went for a test ride.


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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 12:00 am

Looks great Mark. Presume the toilet tissue was for if they failed? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Thu Mar 10, 2016 1:53 am

Blue wrote:
Looks great Mark. Presume the toilet tissue was for if they failed? Shocked


I've been expecting a comment re the dunny rolls. I thought it would be ghezzi.

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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:38 pm

What pads do they have in? I think I have some HH sets I bought for an April customer that never picked them up if you only have FF's in there.

Anyway, if you drop in Wednesday for the rack you can take 'em too if you want. Also, do you have a top-box? I have a huge, hideous, Chinese top box and fitting plate off the GT in the US that is surplus to requirements if you just want something practical. I know for a fact it will take a whole case of bad American beer! It even has a drain hole in the corner so you can fill it with ice to keep the beer cold!

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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Fri Mar 11, 2016 2:47 pm

They're HH pads.

Already bought a top box.

Not coming Wednesday (plans have changed).

Will be there Saturday to meet up with Charlie and yourself. Haven't forgotten have you?
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PostSubject: Re: Original or aftermarket Brake Pads?   Fri Mar 11, 2016 4:52 pm

Nope.
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