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PostSubject: Bike runs like crap?   Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:31 pm

So cruising the last few blocks home I was stopped at a red light. Light turns green and halfway through intersection rather than going straight ahead I decided to turn left. l. So I filled her up with gas and proceeded to go home. When I started it up the "Service" came up on the screen and a red triangle lit up on the dash. Well we limped home on what felt like one cylinder . Sure enough it was. Hooked up the Guzzidag and there was one code showing injector issue. one had popped off (right side) its clip so I re-secured it and cleared the faults which cleared the "Service" and red triangle. That was last Thursday.
Back in the garage there was a P0202 fault Injector again but all connections at the throttle bodies were good.
So rather than risk doing any damage and hoping I havent already done some where should I proceed from here?


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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Tue Oct 07, 2014 9:22 pm

While the error code is saying 'Injector' I'd also check the plug boots to make sure they aren't damaged. I can't see how they would be but who knows.

If it is an injector issue take a good close look at the plug and the male part on the injector itself. Look for bent or damaged pins, cracked plastic on the plug etc. if the plastic connector was torn off the cabling to it may be damaged. Also make sure it has 'Clicked' fully home.

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:30 am

Huge bummer. pale

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 9:57 am

Thanks Pete for the tips  I'll check those out this evening
Steak-Yea it was unfortunate but it could have been a lot worse so I'm not too upset
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:23 pm

But it was brand, spanking new for crissakes! I'd be sick.

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(I don't mean to make you feel worse than you do, but ugh.)

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:16 pm









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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 7:50 pm

heres pics I took earlier. Does everything look ok? Bike is still stumbling. Checked airbox and butterflies ok. Plugs connectors ok . no faults (new or stored) on Guzzidiag. Bike idles fine but when moving things go bad could it be an issue with the speed sensor?
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:02 pm

How did you remove the plug cap?

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Wed Oct 08, 2014 8:18 pm

Nothing sticks out. Idles OK but stumbles on the go? Sounds a bit like a spark problem.
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:46 am

Pete Roper wrote:
How did you remove the plug cap?

Pete
TBH I undid the 4 bolts on the head and lifted it off in one shot. Is that bad? this is what I did on the night of the accident too as it wasn't coming any other way it seemed

beetle wrote:
Nothing sticks out. Idles OK but stumbles on the go? Sounds a bit like a spark problem.
Thats a cheap and easy fix I'll change them. Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:47 am

I encountered similar problem after checking under the valve covers.
I "broke" one of the spark plug wires during the removal, although I was really careful not to.
As it turns out they are indeed really delicate and every time you remove them you risk breaking them.

Visually it was ok, but it did not spark correctly most of the times and bike ran like crap.
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:07 am

SPEIRMOOR wrote:
Pete Roper wrote:
How did you remove the plug cap?

Pete
TBH I undid the 4 bolts on the head and lifted it off in one shot. Is that bad? this is what I did on the night of the accident too as it wasn't coming any other way it seemed

beetle wrote:
Nothing sticks out. Idles OK but stumbles on the go? Sounds a bit like a spark problem.
Thats a cheap and easy fix I'll change them. Thanks

Interesting, I've never even considered disconnecting the plug boot by removing it in conjunction with the rocker cover. The right-angled stem on the boot is very delicate, and one must never attempt removal by pulling up on the spark plug wire. If you attempted to remove the boot initially in this manner, you may very well have broken the internal insulator which would result in the symptoms you describe. I'm not certain that removal of the boot along with the rocker cover would result in any damage, but it would be a bitch to remove the covers this way... At any rate, I'm siding with the others here who suspect that you've broken the boot's insulator.

To check, remove the spark plug well cover by removing the little Moto Guzzi badge on the rocker cover with a pick or a tiny screwdriver to expose the hex-keyed bolt that secures the plug cover. Next, start the motor. If the boot is damaged, you will see and hear the spark arcing to the rocker cover. (On second thought, perhaps not as you have the newer rocker cover design which is insulated from grounding.) At any rate, pull the plug wire by wrapping a string around the boot that is in-line with the plug and remove by pulling the string, as gently as possible. Once removed, gently flex the boot at the 90º bend to see if the insulator has been broken.

If the boot seems fine, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.].

If you suspect that the boot is broken, here is a link demonstrating a good (and inexpensive) replacement option.

Something to think about at least.

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Thu Oct 09, 2014 9:01 am

thanks for all the tips I'll go back and check that after work
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Thu Oct 09, 2014 10:07 am

Steve, the covers aren't insulated from grounding. That's what that little widget on top of the rocker support held down by the two rocker retainer bolts is. It's the earth tang.

Pete

PS. It's almost certainly the plug cap and the spark is arcing to earth. As Steve says remove the badge and HT lead cover, start the bike, preferably in the dark, and look and listen for the spark *Snapping* to earth around the elbow of the plug cap. Any doubts at all? Just buy a pair of NGK SB05E caps and replace them.

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Thu Oct 09, 2014 12:35 pm

Either the NGK SB05F or the SB05E will work, but with the SB05E you won't need to unscrew the nipple on the top of the plug.

Just in case you can only find one or the other locally. Either are available from Amazon.

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Fri Oct 10, 2014 8:08 am

All those who said "sparkplug" nailed it. There is no visual indication of a fault but it looks like the PO was in there before either with a repair or taking preventative measures. Any way I took both off and switched sides and left the wire covers off. Now the bike runs like a champ. I guess in their new orientation they are working correctly but theyre getting replaced regardless. I went to Pepboys and Advance Auto in search of the NGK plugcaps but no to no avail so its off to Amazon I go. Why is it when you mention motorcycle at these places they immediately give up helping you? I kinda knew that before I went there but hey the bike was running so well it was easy jaunting around from place to place. Anyway do I need those Iridium plugs mentioned in the link earlier too or will just the caps suffice?
http://www.motointernational.com/blog/news-and-events/post/spark-plug-cap-update-for-guzzi-8v-models
Heres where I left off.It might help anyone  having the same issue on the road they could try switching the leads around and leave the covers off to get them home.
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Fri Oct 10, 2014 9:51 am

First question: What do you mean when you say "switched sides"? Swapped the wires, or the routing?

First answer: You don't need the Iridium plugs at this time, but they are a less expensive alternative to the NGK Platinum long life plugs that were spec'd to the bike.

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Fri Oct 10, 2014 10:58 am

Thanks Steak I swapped the wires.
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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:32 am

Speirmoor,    Bummer to hear the Tenni hit the deck!! Sad  But glad to hear that you came out on the good side and not too much damage done.

Great news that its only a Ht Lead problem and the rest (even though its a pain) can be easily sorted.

As we say in these parts "Keep her lit and face her for Mount Leinster" Thumbs Up

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Fri Oct 10, 2014 1:12 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Bike runs like crap?   Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:01 am

Had a good blast on Sunday and bike behaved flawlessly.
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