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PostSubject: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 18, 2014 8:16 pm

Well if anybody has a gripe about poor Italian design or build quality, BMW is suffering the same fate.
Made a lot of money recently shifting a lot of R1200RT's after a world wide recall for faulty shock absorber shaft breakages.

Now a local Cherman, trained in the Bavarian factory but working privately, has himself plus a large number of customers, purchased the new S1000R (naked).
At least six of them bought BST wheels and a heap of other bling, including extensive modifications to the ESA (electronic suspension).

Seems this stock shock (and the modified ones) are mounted so close to the Cat Con, they fry. Electronic circuits melt and seals blow, but even before that they just fade away and lose all damping.
This could amount to another world wide recall. Some of these bikes were bought thru BMW finance, with a no re-sell clause for the first 12 months.

With the R1200RT, BMW offered 3 options:
1. Full refund on the purchase price of the bike.
2. A $3000 refund for the 3 month wait, or
3. A loan bike for the period and $1000 shop money.

The phrase, "Is Klaus is good", doesn't work for me like Don!
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 19, 2014 1:22 am

Here is a list of the issues faced by 1 mechanic;

I am servicing over 20 S1R's and out of the lot I have seen and fixed the following issues:

9 of them had leaky forks
2 had stalling issues
6 of them with OEM shocks no longer function, if any settings are chosen no difference is felt due to shock oil cooking
14 of them had/have clutch micro switch issues
11 of them constantly blow the headlight bulb
2 had failed quick-shifters
6 had farings stripped during riding
2 have injector failures
4 of were overheating due to faulty water pumps
3 had ABS issues due to heat
7 of them have indicator issues
14 had to have the killswitch replaced
6 had to have the left side switch replaced due to faulty cruise control
all of them have air-filter issues as they don't seal properly
all of them have chains issues as the bikes comes with an extra link due to handling problems which in terms you need a new chain sooner
all of them have vibrating mirrors which are useless on speeds over 80kmh
all of them have damper issues

As a result some of them are for sale on various sites
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:00 pm

Although we're aware what we're in for with Italian bikes, we all know that BMW is an overpriced wanna-be reliable machine that is butt ugly with a boring engine. The last two are subjective but still...
And their cars are even worse, so much for German fucking engineering eh!!
Also Mercedes... geez Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Let's just say that it's a good thing that they don't make motorcycles...
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:28 pm

Mercedes/AMG partnered with Ducati...

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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:36 pm

Shit. Well if AMG is only involved in racing with Ducati, it's fine in my book.
Isn't Ducati owned by Audi already?
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:48 pm

Ducati and AMG association is no more due to the Audi ownership of Ducati.

Mercedes I believe have bought in to MV Agusta
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:00 pm

Yes MV is the AMG target...
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:01 pm

mark111 wrote:
Ducati and AMG association is no more due to the Audi ownership of Ducati.

Mercedes I believe have bought in to MV Agusta

THIS is true Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:33 am

And then there is my old K75 that has never let me down. Reliable as can be. I guess every manufacturer has good and bad models. Of course the downside to the K75 is the ugly stock set up. But that was easy enough to fix with a little trim here and there. Incredibly nimble fun little ride. A keeper, much like the GRiSO.

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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 3:19 am

Back in the late 80s/early 90s I had a K100RS, and although it was a bit of a lead sled I have a soft spot for those early K series bikes. I also liked the idea of the triple and your neat 'little' 750 is very nicely done - looks looks like fun. I'm sure i've seen it elsewhere - AF1 forum perhaps?
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:15 am

Thanks Gil. Yes, the stock K bikes are way overweight with that oblong ugly tail section. When I took the tail off, I couldn't believe how much it weighed. Together with the ridiculously heavy muffler, I'd guess I took 60-80 lbs. of dead weight off. It's much quicker now. The engine is really sublime. Smooth, powerful, and built to last.
The handling is so much better too. It flies through the twisties with very little effort.
I don't think I've posted pics of the bike anywhere else. But I took my inspiration for the project from a similar build by an Italian shop. That one is called Tatanka, and pics of it are all over the web. Just Google Tatanka K75 to see that one. It's probably the one you have seen before.
It's such an easy conversion and what you end up with is how BMW should have set it up in the first place.
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 2:33 pm

Nice one Don, a selective diet did the world of good.

Zis iss Cherman maschinenbau, wah...

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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:52 pm

Danke Richo! That's about the extent of my German. But that is a very nice and clean old Bavarian you have there! I know this place is supposed to be all GRiSO, all the time, but I just love good motorcycles, and I don't care what the country of origin is. I also have a modern Triumph and a Suzuki that I'm quite fond of. I'm curious what other beauties you have in your stable.

Don
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 4:55 pm

LBC Tenni wrote:
... I took my inspiration for the project from a similar build by an Italian shop. That one is called Tatanka, and pics of it are all over the web. Just Google Tatanka K75 to see that one. It's probably the one you have seen before.

I googled and yours is much nicer, great job. Thumbs Up
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 5:04 pm

Thanks Guzziownr! It's super easy and cheap to do. There are still lots of the old K-bikes around and they can be had for cheap. It seems they just refuse to die. Pillage!
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:33 pm

That's a sweet looking K75 LBC.
I heard one years ago with an after market pipe - HAWT sounding machine.

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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 6:48 pm

Thanks DM! I have the Australian made Staintune on mine. No menacing rumble like the GRiSO, but it's a nice improvement from the totally silent and heavy stocker.
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:57 pm

LBC Tenni wrote:
Thanks Guzziownr! It's super easy and cheap to do. There are still lots of the old K-bikes around and they can be had for cheap. It seems they just refuse to die. Pillage!

That transformation is nothing short of amazing, in my opinion. Very well done, and I agree that yours is an improvement over Tatanka. Would you be willing to give an overview of the changes? Any additional pics?

Thanks,
Shaun
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Tue Nov 25, 2014 10:58 pm

Sure Shaun. Here are some more pics. The light isn't great in my garage right now, but good enough to get the idea. The only part requiring real skill is the cut/weld on the tail and the fabrication of fenders and sidecovers. Luckily, I have a gifted buddy who helped me out on those bits. Fenders and side covers are aluminum. I had those powdercoated black along with the wheels. The seat is a Fleabay special from a guy in Thailand called Motolana (really excellent quality for a bargain price). The headlight is called Angel Halo from Bikemaster. It has one of those cool LED rings aroung the edge. Titanium color aluminum handlebars, brown GT grips, bullet turn signals and taillight, and tank knee pads all from Ebay as well. I also have a Trailtech digital speedo/tach that I have yet to wire up. Also debating whether to black out the radiator cover, but I kind of like the retro 750 cc detail on it. All in all it has been a very fun project to tinker on.
It doesn't have the grunt of the GRiSO, but it flies through the twisties faster. They're both keepers for different reasons.
The first pic is the ugly duckling that was:

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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:08 am

Very nice! Thanks for sharing the additional pics. For what it's worth, I would recommend leaving the rad cowl as is. I think it is one of the nicer features!

Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 26, 2014 6:35 am

What is that fairing?? BMW??
That looks like it suits my requirements quite well. Blow the wind out past my hands and probably over my helmet. Especially when I get my clip-ons mounted.

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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:45 am

The fairing is an aftermarket specific to K-bikes. Unfortunately, it has no marking to identify the brand. It appears the PO removed it. I did ride the bike with the fairing for some time, and it was very effective at blocking the wind. I'd bet if you hunt around Motobrick and other K-bike forums, you'd probably be able to identify the manufacturer of the fairing. Maybe they are still around and make one to fit the big G.
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:28 pm

Interesting observation regarding aerodynamics.
That fairing looks like a spin off from the original R90S which was developed in a wind tunnel, not by stylists. Difference being mainly between the screens, R90S screen was almost horizontal at its top rear edge, aimed at your chest and almost a full arms reach forward.

Your screen is higher and more at a 45° angle, similar to the original Kawasaki Z1R. I rode these 2 bikes back to back about 100 years ago, BMW had you in a still air pocket and the Kwaka, due to turbulence beat you about the head like Mike Tyson.

Interestingly, I recently rode a 2013 Z1000 (naked) with a headlight/instrument shroud angled at, you guessed it, 45°. Kawasaki have learnt nothing in 35 years, Mike Tyson is still employed.

Oh, nice bike eLBee.
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PostSubject: Re: Cherman Engineering, Yah!   Wed Nov 26, 2014 10:58 pm

ghezzi wrote:
Kawasaki have learnt nothing in 35 years, Mike Tyson is still employed.

Laughing Laughing
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