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PostSubject: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:51 pm

Has anyone built a 1200 motor into a conventional type standard frame. The point being to have a larger fuel tank and a more universal upright capability? If no, why the hell not? Idea
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:45 pm

There have numerous tries at this. Problem is that you can't use the 8V in its stock form in a Tonti or Bellagio frame because of the alternator in the valley. There are adapters available I believe that allow the use of an earlier timing chest cover and the Ducati alternator but it would require a different loom of course.

Personally I think that the 8V will seriously over-tax a stock Tonti frame. The Bellagio makes a much better proposition due to its superior rear suspension. Stick a set of real forks on it and I reckon it could be very nice.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:26 pm

It's been done tastefully a few times and there are pictures floating around on the web...
I agree with Pete, the Bella is an easier conversion as it's already a CARC set-up.
Although, the 8V in an old V7 frame modified and reinforced somewhat to accept that big mill is pure sex. Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:58 pm

I understand now. So eventually Guzzi will have another, ground up, model with motor similar to the GRiSO's, but probably an alternate/or replacement for the V-7. Such is life.
Thanks for "splainin it to me Lucy"! Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 6:59 pm

What the hell, Bella only owes me $30K.
Might as well stick that Stelvio motor in it next Pete, only kidding.

Just fitted my Bagster tank bag, I can go touring now ........................ when the rain stops.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:25 pm

Doug was going to sell me an 8V from a Stelvio for $1,600. Low mileage. I reckon you should buy it and the gearbox and design an adaptor for the crank ans slap it in Bella. I reckon it would be a hoot.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:39 pm

I might be tempted to buy it for an oz. of gold.


But would I need to get a Stelvio ECU and dash ................... wiring harness or;
Get a Link Atom ECU and aftermarket dash .................. or;
WTF! will I ever leave it alone and just ride it?
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:55 pm

Same ECU. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:09 pm

But no stepper motor on my TB's, no plug on my harness and no story in my ECU to tell it what to do.

Just thinking, do Bellagio's have lower gear box or diff ratio, might become a wheelie good machine.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:16 pm

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But no stepper motor on my TB's, no plug on my harness and no story in my ECU to tell it what to do.

Rolling Eyes So? These things can be addressed.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Thu Dec 11, 2014 9:03 pm

Was thinking I should talk to the master himself, but no he's just a bloody bad influence on me.

Got a 2 stroke project to keep me occupied now;
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Same horsepower as a Stelvio 8V but less than half the weight.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:13 am

Oh jesus...

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2012 MOTO GUZZI GRiSO 1200SE

2013 MOTO GUZZI STELVIO 1200NTX - Orange Blossom Special
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:51 am

What is it? RGV? RS250? I'm no good on 'em but I loves me some Stinkwheels! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Fri Dec 12, 2014 5:02 am

Now that the Bellagio is pretty much where I want it to be as my everyday whatever ride bike, I can get back to my original project started mid 2009.

Take an Aprilia RS250 rolling chassis and turf the engine. It now resides in SA with my mate Peter Healy in his dry lakes land speed bike.

Take a parallel twin Yamaha RZ250 motor that only made about 2/3 the power, stroke it 4mm and bore it 19mm. No Bullshit! Going from two individual barrels to a monobloc configuration, and machining the top crank case to make it fit, we have gone from bore & stroke of 54 x 54 (249cc) to 73 x 58 or 485cc.

The beauty of the engine is not so much the 100rwhp and 50ft/lbs of torque, but the fact the engine has been transformed from a gutless screamer to a massive grunter with a very serious horsepower hit to boot. Both peak HP & torque are reached before 9,500rpm.

Standard bike weight is less than 140kg. Fuel consumption with two 39mm carbs is the problem.
Bella's carbon fibre wheels were actually meant for the RS250.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Sat Dec 13, 2014 8:15 am

The GRiSO motor/V7 frame fantasy loves to live in my heart too but hey, that's just stupid.
If I was THAT industrious I would just get a new frame/chassis made for the motor.
Ask some local frame maker to make a Bimota-esque frame for the GRiSO motor.

Or just buy a different bike!!

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Sat Dec 13, 2014 2:34 pm

Cadre Martin. Twisted Evil Twisted Evil
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Mon Dec 22, 2014 7:41 am

Hi,
Canyon Carver wrote:
Has anyone built a 1200 motor into a conventional type standard frame....
Yes...
But, unfortunately it's not me who's capable of making this:
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Made in Germany, will cost a few legs... but... bounce bounce
If I had the money... and the love (wife) who let me...
The boys from radicalguzzi are building awful nice Guzzi's. Discover their site.  Shocked
I'm not really complaning, I'm converting "just" a GRiSO to my GRiSO... bit by bit.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Mon Dec 22, 2014 8:01 am

Hi,

and more...
Pete Roper wrote:
There have numerous tries at this. Problem is that you can't use the 8V in its stock form in a Tonti or Bellagio frame because of the alternator in the valley. There are adapters available I believe that allow the use of an earlier timing chest cover and the Ducati alternator but it would require a different loom of course.

Personally I think that the 8V will seriously over-tax a stock Tonti frame. The Bellagio makes a much better proposition due to its superior rear suspension. Stick a set of real forks on it and I reckon it could be very nice.

Pete

Grisonut wrote:
It's been done tastefully a few times and there are pictures floating around on the web...
I agree with Pete, the Bella is an easier conversion as it's already a CARC set-up.
Although, the 8V in an old V7 frame modified and reinforced somewhat to accept that big mill is pure sex. Laughing

A year back I saw this at parking off the factory (don't ask which factory, you know... THE factory):
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This in combination with:
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What a beautiful world.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:27 am

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I hafta go with this one .....yea I know its a GRiSO mod ...but just saying
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:24 am

Ad B wrote:
Hi,
Canyon Carver wrote:
Has anyone built a 1200 motor into a conventional type standard frame....
Yes...
But, unfortunately it's not me who's capable of making this:
[You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
Made in Germany, will cost a few legs... but... bounce bounce
If I had the money... and the love (wife) who let me...
The boys from radicalguzzi are building awful nice Guzzi's. Discover their site.  Shocked
I'm not really complaning, I'm converting "just" a GRiSO to my GRiSO... bit by bit.

Ad B

Thanks, That is vey close to what I was envisioning. I don't read German though. $?
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 in V7 style frame?   Mon Dec 22, 2014 1:21 pm

CC, from your original question, "1200cc with a larger fuel tank and more upright riding position".
= Stelvio.

From your reference to the V7 chassis I would assume you would like a smaller lighter looking bike.
Sit on any 850 Le Mans or park it next to the GRiSO and compare. You'll get a 24 litre tank, top triple clamp that takes normal bars, skinny forks, twin shocks, a clunky 5 speed and heavy wheels that use skinny 18" conventional tyres.

But hey, bring it to my place and we can change all that. cheers
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