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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:13 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:44 pm

Reading Cycle News today and whadda you know, there is a BikeMaster battery that is stamped with "Lithium ion" label but in the description it states it is a Lithium Iron Phosphate.

Confused? Actually the LiFePO4 battery is a sub-set of the Lion family, at least that's where development started from.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:12 am

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Wouldn't touch a Shorai - just saying...

Please be aware of drinking the "cool-aid" that is thrown at us for marketing/sales purposes. This is genuine good technology that is relatively new to us. There are a couple of gotchas though. More on these later when I have more time...


What brand do you use Tony?

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:20 pm

SSB Powersport Lithium, Ron
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:33 pm

Thanks Tony,

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:12 pm

still on the original 09 30000m(at least I was until I wrote this).ive used an optimate trickle charger.not to bad me thinks,regards pat
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Sat Apr 25, 2015 1:59 am

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:
SSB Powersport Lithium, Ron

Is it by any chance the SSB LH12-BS or LH12-B4?

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Sat Apr 25, 2015 3:07 am

I also bought a Lithium-Batterie for my GRiSO; it´s from JMT and it´s a HJTX20CH-FP.

The starting motor runs a little faster, and the weight difference is from 6,2 kg with the original YUASA to 1,2 kg to the new JMT. Almost 5 Kilogramm saved for only 160 Euros spend, not bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Sat Apr 25, 2015 10:37 pm

Ron, SSB LH12-BS is the one - remember the Yuasa was 20AH
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Sat Apr 25, 2015 11:17 pm

Great!

Thanks Tony

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:09 am

Old thread but still interesting reading.

I'm going to compose my own LiFePo4 battery next spring:

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:23 pm

OK, just talked to the bike shop who is recommending a Gel battery.

Says, Lithium can have a delay between pressing the starter and it actually starting to turn over?
Anyone experienced this with Lithium?
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:02 pm

Bullshit.

Doesn't happen.

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Mon Oct 23, 2017 4:58 pm

+1 what Beetle said.
The worst it can get................ at 20* below freezing.

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:20 pm

OK, got one of these going in

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:31 pm

Wow. Does it come with the monitor, or is that an extra ?
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Tue Oct 24, 2017 2:33 pm

MrGPz wrote:
OK, just talked to the bike shop who is recommending a Gel battery.

Says, Lithium can have a delay between pressing the starter and it actually starting to turn over?
Anyone experienced this with Lithium?

That happens with my yuasa battery. Sometimes it even clicks, so I think its not going to start, then it starts 2 seconds later out of nowhere. Meanwhile my friend with a lithium battery starts always trouble-free. The only issue with the lithium batteries is that when its really cold you need to warm them up first as shown in the movie linked above.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Tue Oct 24, 2017 3:18 pm

Monitor isn't even in the NZ price-list, but it is a cool geegaw.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:50 pm

UltraBatt, 3 x slices to make 270CCA (90CCA each)
I suspect that because they are three separate batteries the overall dimension is about 6mm deeper than standard. This means the cables cannoy run in front of the battery as the seat touches.
Otherwise the starting is different but not an issue once used to it.

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:18 pm

OK, just spent a week and a bit with the Lithium UltraBatt.
Things I've noticed;
The key needs to be turned on and you wait 5-10 secs before trying to start. otherwise a number of things can happen.
If the bike is started from cold, the bike will turn over once and stop. the you need to wait 10 secs to start again. Also it can reset the display and probably does the same job as removing the battery from the bike. I have reset the clock a few times, and even worse the trip meter is reset to zero, which means i lose my fuel up distance.
If the bike is cold then you need to hold your thumb on the starter until the bike fires.
If the bike is hot, then it can start straight away, it will also crank itself till it fires, if the bike has sat for 1/2 or more then it reverts to same as cold.

It is a cool design and will be the way of the future, when bike electrical systems are designed for them (like not resetting the display)

An interesting but expensive experiment, anyone after a Lithium Battery, i am going back to a Lead-acid or Gel.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 5:47 pm

Then it's either a shit battery or hasn't sufficient CCA capacity.

My SSB starts the GRiSO first time, everytime. No holding breath, crossing fingers, magic word, eye of newt or voodoo ritual required.

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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 6:13 pm

+1 what Beetle said.
Now I accept what Tony has to say about Shorai being of questionable quality, coz I don't understand quantum physics (an I can't fix it wif a hammer).

But in my 940 I've had the smallest case Shorai (270CCA) for 5 years, no issues.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:13 pm

beetle wrote:
Then it's either a shit battery or hasn't sufficient CCA capacity.

My SSB starts the GRiSO first time, everytime. No holding breath, crossing fingers, magic word, eye of newt or voodoo ritual required.

Suspect

Just letting people know my experience
CCA is supposed to be 270CCA.
Tried to get an SSB, but they wouldn't ship to NZ.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:32 pm

If you want one shipped from Oz, I could find out if Aust Post will send one via the waves.
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PostSubject: Re: Batteries are batteries right?   Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:40 pm

270? Should be enough. I wonder if it's a bad battery, or the CCA's are exaggerated, like DynoJet horsepower.

My SSB is rated at 300.

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