GRiSO 1400

This is turned into a thought experiment then. I'm not springing for a whole 1400 motor. C'est la Vie.

When the corn cob pipe brigade start stuffing their Calis into the sides of busses there will be motors aplenty.

Pete

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:

At least you are prepared to give something a go Pete. Armchair philosopher - I don't think so. Still we wait with bated (baited?) breath for the monster to resume it's head. Time will tell whether it be ugly or not.....

Over the past twenty or so years I've built a variety of hot-rods and a race bike that was good enough to win the NSW post classic championship one year and come in the top three in several more. Some of them were quite radical departures from the 'Parts Bin Specials' that are usually the answer to 'Performance' motors.

This is the reason why, when I'm tired, testy or often in some pain I may sometimes crack a shitty. I'm more than aware I shouldn't, I see immediately after I've posted that what I've said may seem arrogant and rude. In those circumstances I will apologise but I can't guarantee I won't do it again because, well, I know the 'Red Mist' will defend again given the right circumstances.

I would ask people to just say "Oh it's just Roper being a cunt, again." Sorry, I'm too old a leopard to change my spots.

As for the 1400 project. Once I can lay my grubby mitts on a complete 1400 donk I'll start playing but I'm not going to start spending Mark's money on something with so many variables it may not work.

Pete

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:

ah come on youse lot, stop taking things so seriously! Everyone gets grumpy from time to time, everyone has their sensitive, trigger points, everyone has a bad day from time to time.

Some of us, more so than others.

Remember there is light hearted banter/humour/slander that is geographically based. Not everyone gets the Aussie (or should I say Austrian) humour - just like we don't always get what goes on in Europe, UK, North America (yes there is a division from side to side as well), Asia et al.

Very few members of this board are actually out of line - if they are, then call it - generally an apology is given and things move on. Many of us have a (very) crude sense of proprietryness (is that even a word?)(probably not). Generally we throw shit at each other and no offence is taken - UNLESS you hit the very nerve that makes blood pressure rise, nerves tingling, and the body overtakes the mind's "no don't do it" impulse to chose the living shit out of some arsehole that desperately needs it. Phew I feel better already...

Take a chill pill and relax (please don't take offence at that or I will have to have a little cry). There's lots of fantastic people with a wealth of knowledge here, that is shared unreservedly (that is certainly a real word) for the benefit of us all. Enjoy, what can't be enjoyed on other web boards - freedom, to learn, to contribute, to have fun, to go ride a bloody fantastic marque in the best way you can.

Peace out brothers and sisters - I think I am off to nirvana now.
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Surely you didn't take me seriously...

Well said Oz, but I did take you seriously..........and don't call me Surely or Shirley!

Pete Roper wrote:

Over the past twenty or so years I've built a variety of hot-rods and a race bike that was good enough to win the NSW post classic championship one year and come in the top three in several more. Some of them were quite radical departures from the 'Parts Bin Specials' that are usually the answer to 'Performance' motors.

This is the reason why, when I'm tired, testy or often in some pain I may sometimes crack a shitty. I'm more than aware I shouldn't, I see immediately after I've posted that what I've said may seem arrogant and rude. In those circumstances I will apologise but I can't guarantee I won't do it again because, well, I know the 'Red Mist' will defend again given the right circumstances.

I would ask people to just say "Oh it's just Roper being a cunt, again." Sorry, I'm too old a leopard to change my spots.

As for the 1400 project. Once I can lay my grubby mitts on a complete 1400 donk I'll start playing but I'm not going to start spending Mark's money on something with so many variables it may not work.

Pete

We ALL have our moments Pete - pain, tiredness and frustration has got the better of many a good man from time to time ..... but now that I'm single again after 29 years of marital bliss I have found that I'm "right" much more often .... and that just SO makes up for the "marital meltdown poverty"

On the 1400 project I tend to agree with your assessment of the difficulties of the mix and match process between the 1200 and the 1400 parts. It's one thing optimising a complete std engine with a touch here and a tweak there and reassemble but building a higher output hybrid from 2 or more engines is a world of pain, shit that just won't fit (but should) and burnt time.

My approach gleaned from many a decision / learning opportunity that "seemed like a good idea at the time" is if you want the power of a 1000 out of a 750, buy a fucking 1000 in the first place - the less you know about the internals of an engine the more confident and carefree you are when you use it.

I'm 59 and had my fingers burnt so bad I've "got no arms"

beetle wrote:

I'm thinking the benefits will be in the 3500-6000 range.

and this is exactly where you need it, can't wait

We've canned it for now. Indefinite hiatus.

Bugger

Agreed...Bugger!

With your combined experience and tenacity, you two seem well suited to solve some of the more complex issues inherent in this type of project.

Perhaps another equally challenging project some day or a resumption of this at some point.

I am thinking Guzzi themselves may do this...perhaps a whole redesign with GRiSO on the tank ?

I know you said you've put this idea back on the shelf for the time being, but I still have a question. How had you planned to deal with the heat coming off of the 1400 jugs? When Esther had her 1400 Cali I rode it some and found the heat on my knees to be nearly unbearable. And I'm one of those short-legged guys. It would seem on the GRiSO your legs would be even closer to the engine than on the giant tanker ship that is the Cali. Just curious.

Given the GRiSO 8V is overcooled, I don't think that would be an issue.

Interesting, there is actually a similar out of the box kit available for this. Check this out:

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Kit 1500cc

ARTICLE: KIT 1500cc
CODE: 2091299

COMPATIBILITY: - GRiSO 1200 8V, 1200 Sport 8v, 8v Norge, Stelvio 4V, Stelvio 8V.

FEATURES: The kit consists of: -cilindri -reso original -pistoni Mahle -series bands dedicated -spinotti -kits gaskets Designed for mounting in a plug & play, the kit allows you to increase the displacement of the 1200 Moto Guzzi 8V (1151cc) to 1500cc ( 1440cc) obtaining a torque rise of 29%, then you must remap the control unit (additional charge) to get the maximum benefit from the change.

If it's anything like everything else done by that mob it will be a poorly thought out disaster built around lowest common denominator theory.

Just sayin' not debatin'

undoubtedly

That millypoocento kit costs 3 times more per B&P than for the Guzzi 1400 B&P from the Oz importer.

It's worth over three and a half grand of our $ at the current exchange rate but we are given NO information about it that is worth a cracker. Comparative weight of components, static CR, nothing. If I'm being asked to separate myself from that sort of wedge I expect full details on everything from the materials to expected availability of spare parts.

I suspect though that like most of their gear it's all about bragging rights, which, as we've discussed, is fine. Just be honest about it.

Pete

The millepercento kit looks like what the german firm Peter Lamparth is offering, the weight of the piston is the same as stock so no need to rebalance the crank. And it is even more cc, with 106.3mm bore. I suppose that size comes of something Mahle already had in stock.

pauldaytona wrote:

The millepercento kit looks like what the german firm Peter Lamparth is offering, the weight of the piston is the same as stock so no need to rebalance the crank. And it is even more cc, with 106.3mm bore. I suppose that size comes of something Mahle already had in stock.

[EDIT:] Here, I presume: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] -- then click the "Tuning 1" tab, and scroll down to "GRiSO 1200 8V with 1326cc".

Chrome/Google offers a readable translation, but I can't figure out how to copy it. There seems to be some combustion chamber and port ("channels") work involved instead of just a parts swap. Dyno chart looks pretty good.

lamparth asks 3000 euro, including all work and map I heard