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PostSubject: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Feb 08, 2016 11:18 pm

Just to let any owners of early CARC bikes that might not of been notified of the recall. Contacted our importer today about a 2005 Breva that was eligible. It appears that the recall campaign has been closed due to age so anybody with an early one is on their own.

Please don't winge. The latest bikes this was relevant to are ten years old. Owners should of been notified or their dealers should of checked when the bike was in for service. I don't want a lot of spineless whinging about how terrible it is. If the bike was taken in to be serviced it should of been picked up. If you don't take your bike in for service and never set foot in a dealership and buy all your parts off the internet don't be surprised if you end up being the bunny.

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:46 am

Is this about that preload nut lock tab not been properly applied during assembly or for the low quality bearings on a bunch of CARCs ?

Or do I remember these wrong...?
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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:13 pm

No, it was the shit bearing they used in the early ones to support the crownwheel flange on the wheel side.

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Fri Feb 26, 2016 3:02 pm

I remembered you improvised a way to dismantle the whole CARC thing and put it back together or it finally proved not feasible or not worthing the effort?

That is, once it goes crap for whatever reason (water etc), can you work on it or it all goes out the window in one (very expensive) piece?
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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Fri Feb 26, 2016 7:51 pm

You can replace all the bearings but actually taking apart the reactive bridge to do so is probably not a job for a novice and there are some parts that are not available for purchase.

In all honesty if you trash one, (And the most likely cause of this is going to be the pinion nut coming loose.) just look around for a second hand one. I have a row of six, any colour you like! Haven't sold one yet!

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:19 pm

Hey Pete, has there been any noise from the factory about the couple of Stelvio's that had the CARC break? Did they ever investigate the cause?

How did that guy you sent the arm to in SA fare? All better?
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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:49 pm

Piaggio denies any problem point blank. Whether this will come back and bite them on the arse I have no idea but three documented cases from the same short production run? What's the old saying about walking and quacking?

AFAIK the SA bloke's bike is back together. Last time we corresponded he was planning to keep it. I should get in touch again and find out what he decided.

What shat me about the whole thing was the immediate furore created with all of the Luddites immediately saying the entire system was unsafe! Despite the fact that it had been in production since 2005 with zero problems and then once again, after the short run in mid 2012, no further problems until now. In 1985 there was a run of Tonti bevelboxes that spat out crownwheel bolts! There was a fairly long run of these horrors most of which were fitted to Mk IV LeMans. On many occasions the bolt would jam between the crownwheel and pinion locking the back wheel. The shop I was working at had a run of five in a month. There were some pretty serious injuries out of that but some of the self same fuckwads who are saying 'Anything modern is junk' will categorically deny there have ever been any problems with their beloved dinosaurs which are the acme of motorcycle design and production!

No of course dangerous issues shouldn't occur and certainly shouldn't be swept under the carpet or denied but the cretinous double standards and blinkered bigotry shits me to tears.

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:07 pm

Hi Pete,
I have bought my 2006 GRiSO 1100 off the first owner. I asked him about the recalls. He remembered the fuel pump recall has been done but surely not the CARC recall. (The bike was bought in Greece).

Is there some publicly available information which VIN/Frame numbers were concerned?
Mine is ZGULS00046M113181.

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:26 pm

There will be a list somewhere in the Piaggio archives but it won't be on the current ServiceMotoguzzi page. You'll have to ask a dealer to contact head office.

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:38 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
There will be a list somewhere in the Piaggio archives but it won't be on the current ServiceMotoguzzi page. You'll have to ask a dealer to contact head office.

Pete

Hi Pete,

I found the MG Recall campaign doc. It says:

The frames concerned are those prior to:
ZGULSā€¦6M111954 for GRiSO 1100 - ZGULP...6M113250 for Breva 1100
The rear transmission boxes concerned are those prior to no. 003171. The cardan number is given under the
rubber boot.

So I shall be lucky with this as mine is 113181, which is post-111954.
I would like to attach the doc but can't see the option for it.

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:57 pm

Here it is -

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:44 pm

For those interested this is Pete's Carc strip procedure:

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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Tue Oct 24, 2017 12:05 am

It's here as well.
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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Tue Oct 24, 2017 4:40 am

replacement bearing model is the 61917.

C3 version or plain?

Any preference in brand? 17_ball SKF or 19_ball FAG?
(two balls can make a difference sometimes
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PostSubject: Re: 2005-2006 Breva/GRiSO CARC recall.   Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:41 pm

I"m Lucky
Mr Roper searched my Vin when I bought mine.
And he replaced it under recall.

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