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PostSubject: New member   Sun Jul 10, 2016 9:53 pm

Hello all! Name is Clive Culpan, go by C.
New to the club. Originally born/lived in UK until I was 30 then moved to the US.

On my 4th Guzzi and second GRiSO, 1200SE 2014.
I had a Mistral pipe on my old 1100 GRiSO and it sounded fantastic.
Tried a GPR on me 1200 Sport and it was good but popped badly on over run.

A guy told me to buy a couple of cables on the internet and he'd help me remap it.
I bought the cables but then sold the bike.
Not sure if these cables will work on the 1200SE and can't find the guys info.

Can anyone help me stop this "Snap Crackle and Pop"?

I tried to attach some photos, of the cables, and my bike but couldn't see how to do it.
(Old fart)
I'll see if I can up load therm to the general gallery, maybe that's it..

Cheers everyone.

P.S. does anyone have a 1200 SE workshop manual to download? I'm sure my valves need adjusting now it has 4500 miles..
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:41 pm

Mark has a map for both Mistral hi-pipe and Lo-pipe. There is a no dBk map for the hi-pipe but it's rotten loud, the 8V works better with the dBk in anyway.

Will the cables work? Plug 'em in and see. Depends what programme you're using.

As for the valves? I've done a write up its in the tech section. Your bike will work best with lash set at 4 & 6 thou inlet and exhaust. You'll also need to balance the throttle bodies.

Can you clarify? Have you already fitted a pipe or is this backfiring occurring with the stock pipe?

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PostSubject: Re: New member   Sun Jul 10, 2016 10:57 pm

Pete,
I have no idea where to plug the cables in and i have no program. Basically you are talking to a numb skull; when it comes to modern bike technology.
Give me an old anything and i can fix it.. not so much with the new stuff.

Yes i have installed a GPR pipe. Frankly i didn't even ride the bike with the stock pipe as I had no intention of keeping it on.

I downloaded the manual, and saw the bit on valves.. all simple stuff there.

Ive heard that Mistral, and Termi don't need any re mapping.. still i bought the GPR now and would like to make it work if i can.

Any idea how to upload photos?
Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Mon Jul 11, 2016 3:20 am

I always find the assertion that people can work on the 'Old Stuff' but not on the 'New Stuff' flummoxing! There can be few simple machines to tune than a W5AM Guzzi, really! Points and Carbs are ten times more difficult to get right. The problem is that if someone screws around with things they shouldn't screw around with it will all go to hell in a hand basket very quickly and be well nigh impossible to get right again!

With the cables it is very hard to tell if they are *Right* simply by looking at them. Whether they will work or not depends on whether they have the right chip in them.

To tune your bike properly you will need to be able to set the valve clearances so you need hand tools for that. You also need to be able to balance the throttle bodies which will require a manometer or guages of some sort and a laptop capable of running Guzzidiag to enable you to re-calibrate the TPS after balancing. Guzzidiag and the 'Reader' and 'Writer' programmes you'll need to re-map your machine are available for free on the web but it is asked that you make a donation as a lot of time and effort has gone into their creation. The necessary drivers are NOT the ones that come with the cables, you need to download them too.

All of the Guzzidiag stuff has been covered comprehensively by people much cleverer than me. Just do a search but believe me, if I can use it anybody can and it is all so much better and more intuitive than the crappy factory tooling or the exorbitant and overpriced VDSTS software spruiked elsewhere.

As for photos? I upload them to a remote host, (In my case Flickr.) and just link 'em up here like so.

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PostSubject: Re: New member   Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:19 pm

Clive, I find myself in your neck of the woods a few times a year.  I have family in Eagle, Meridian, and Boise (and often myself at Bill's place Orville Jacksons...)  Was just there over Fathers' Day before heading to the National Rally in John Day.  At any rate, I'd be happy to walk you through all the GuzziDiag and mapping stuff next time I am out there.

Welcome to the Ghetto!

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Also, you can download electronics manuals etc. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] Just have a look around. Also, you can learn all you ever wanted to know about GuzziDiag and mapping from Mark's thread here: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

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PostSubject: Re: New member   Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:46 pm

Steak, well that's bloody nice of you mate!
I'll for sure take you up on that..

Meanwhile, i'll sift through the site and try to find the stuff i need to download if that is a help.

Just got back from registering it.
I put the DB killer in it before i left and made sure the fittings on the pipe were as nip as I could.
It definitely seemed better but has some issues with low end flat spots and "Lumpiness"

Rideable, but I know it could be a ton better.
I kind of wish i would have done more research on pipes before i bought the GPR. Of course, if it came down to it I'll ditch the darned thing if i have to.

How a bike or car even, sounds, is a big draw for me. Part of the whole experience. Currently it sounds... okay at best.

Give me plenty of warning when you are next over here.
I have spare rooms but i know your sis is down the street. You would be welcome though.

Cheers,
C.
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Mon Jul 11, 2016 11:08 pm

Pete, thanks for the advise Sir.

I guess what i SHOULD have said, is that i can for sure fix anything, on any bike, given the knowledge and the tools.
I'm lacking in the techno area for modern bikes but i'm sure i'll get there.

How do you like that California?
I've had the hankering for one of those for years and that 1400 sure appeals.
If i could just get the wife over her bike issues, and justify the purchase.
maybe when retire, but they sure look bloody fabulous.!

Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:07 am

The Cali wasn't my sort of bike. I bought one when they were first released in 2013 in the US and Jude and I did a three month trip on it. Look, its OK but its still a cruiser and the one thing it confirmed for me was that I heartily dislike cruisers. I also have an April Mana in the US as well as one here that we use for touring on. While we were riding around on the Cali we both kept finding ourselves saying "I wish we were on the Mana.".

That's not to say its a bad bike, in a lot of ways it is outstanding. It's no GRiSO though.

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PostSubject: Re: New member   Tue Jul 12, 2016 1:49 am

Right!

I just sold a Honda ST 1300 sport Tourer..
I know "Yuk!"
For a die hard Euro biker, who worked in the British Bike industry for 18 years, it's hard to admit I bought it.
But it was a great machine, did everything I wanted, but had zero soul.

Needless to say, she had to go and will likely be my last Jap bike.

I wouldn't mind finding a used Triumph Sprint for those days when I want panniers but still want handling and power.

The Cali appealed, partly because its a Guzzi, but also because they look very cool and even the new ones have retained that certain, Dare I say, American, BLVD look.
But, they are cruisers, and I hear you there!

C.
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:59 am

Hi Clive a real nice Ducati ST 2/3/4 could fill your need for panniers no problem and they are selling well below their value these days .... plus they do have a little soul and sound .... easy to maintain and so far , for me anyway bullet proof ...
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Wed Jul 13, 2016 10:00 pm

Craig, yes the ST 2 or others would be a nice choice and they are cerytainly affordable.
I;ll check them out.
I kind of like the idea of a triumph though as i rode a Trident (Or several) for years and that triple appeals.
I've located one will go and test ride if they don't sell it first but i'll also start looking at the Ducati's.
I just sold a Diavel Dark, flipping amazing bike with crazy power, but I didn't warm to is somehow and it was spine jarringly hard. of course I could have probably fixed that, but having no Ducati dealer close, and the thing being super techi, and the fact that I got offered profit, sent her off to a new home.

Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:23 am

Gday Clive. What years were your Tridenrs. Im rebuilding one for a mate ,a '75 that I used to own. Great machines. In fact I have the Agostini Black X on my 1200 and whether it is in the low position or high it reminds me of the Trident.
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 3:01 pm

Gday Charlie!
I had 2 74 T150V's and 2 76 T160's..
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Iv'e rebuilt many bikes over the years, all with the intention of keeping them.
Trouble is, when i get them done, they never feel like they used to, and the newer bikes are just leaps ahead in every way.
Hey did you have to remap your Bike with that Agostini? wish i could make my 1200SE sound like my old 1100 with the mistral..
See you have a Corbin seat, got one coming.

Cheers,
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 7:14 pm

Clive I know what it's like with no dealer .... we have a Suzy dealer in town but that's it .... I basically sort stuff out myself with the use of the shop manuals ,knowledgeable friends and of course the forums .... which are great .... I've spent lots of time and money on my Commando maybe I will figure out how to post a photo .... nice minimalist Triumph there Charlie .... I got a Corbin on the Norton , it is hard and a bit wide at tank .... good for an hour at most .... like to look at it though
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:32 pm

Clive, yes Beetle made a map for it with that extension piece. The bike had more torque with it mounted high. But the map was made with the db killer in. On the highway I couldnt hear it. However the bloke whose idea it was to mount the Ago lack x high leant me his map , made on a dyno and without db killer. Now I can hear it, and I and other people dont think it is too loud.
bCraig that is Clives Triumph not mine. I reckon my Corbin is a gazillion times more comfortable than the stock 1200 GRiSO seat. My 1100 GRiSO seat was softer than the 1200 one but its had my fat lardy ass sittin on it for 10 years. A mate has got a Corbin on his 1100 Cali Stone and it is hard. Different padding for different style seats ?
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:23 pm

Charlie, so just to clarify, my nike has a GPR pipe on it, with the db killer installed. not sure if that matters.
Any idea how i get the map from Beetle?

Cheers,
C.

P.S. looking forward to getting my Corbin.
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:29 pm

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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:39 pm

Cheers Mate down under.
Looks like you aren't into Japanese bikes of late.
But check out this 76 Gold wing I messed with.. Sold now of course.

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PostSubject: Re: New member   Thu Jul 14, 2016 11:13 pm

Yeah not into Jap bikes. The last one I rode was a newish cb1000r,not mine and I smashed it....
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Fri Jul 15, 2016 12:16 am

Eek!
Yeah crashing a bike is bad enough but someone elses.. Not good.
Still, as they say, so long as you were alright! Cool
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Fri Jul 15, 2016 1:03 am

and you fixed buddy's bike .... that is the rule , eh
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PostSubject: Re: New member   Fri Jul 15, 2016 4:48 am

Certainly did.
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