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PostSubject: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:40 am

Brothers

Need some advise, my Oil warning lamp on comes below 2000rpm, but only after having been ridden for about 20mins. I guess that is how long it takes to warm up...?

I've checked the oil level as a precaution and it's good.

As it only happens below 2000rpm is it something with the oil pumps? Anyone else had or having similar issues?

Thanks in advance for you sage advice.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:50 am


Are you saying the lamp comes on after warm-up and only below 2K rpm and stays on ... or that it occasionally flickers in that range?

Either way, gotta say that would scare me feceless, but my Norge lost its engine due to oil-pump failure -- you don't want to see the pix  Evil or Very Mad -- so mebbe I am just unduly frightened.  affraid

Moreover, on my GRiSO, some paper label (that should have been removed) from a bottom-end part broke free, lodged in that "finger-like" screen, and disrupted oil flow.  Caught and fixed quickly, but I am sensitive to oil-pressure issues.

The sages will be here shortly, but, IMO, riding without dropping sump and looking to see what blockage is visible and, if none, getting at oil pump, risks catastrophe.

Hope the smart hands here have less end-of-the-world counsel.

Keep us posted.

Best wishes for a harmless conclusion to this.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:00 am

Hey Bill

Sounds like you've had a few oil related nightmares. Understandably so, an engine with out oil is like the human body without blood..

Just to confirm, Oil lamp comes on below 2000rpm and stays on till revs climb over 2000rpm Only happens after 20mins and even then not all the time, it's very erratic.

Will keep you posted.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:08 am

Did You already have a look to the diagnostic screen?
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:33 am



Good point.

I prefer to shout "Run for your lives! The sky is falling!" Embarassed

Seriously, always a good point to punch in 12425 -- at least I think that's the # -- and checking before throwing up.  

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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:11 am

Until now I didn't have any codes. What do I need to do?
Run diagnosis and when prompted punch in the code above?
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:25 am



Yes.

Do you not have the service manual downloaded?

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See ELE SYS p. 6 on.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:06 pm

OK, this doesn't sound like it is a faulty pressure switch which is common.

Do NOT start the engine until you have dropped both the sump and the spacer that goes between it and the block. Chances are it has blown out between one of the oil galleries and the sump.

This is extremely serious and will result in serious damage if not mended.

I have a picture somewhere, I'll see if I can find it.

If not the gasket it might possibly be a sticky OPRV but I'm going with the gasket.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:34 pm

Yep, I agree with Pete, most likely the gasket between the crank case and the spacer in the sump. Don't ask me how I know this...

the end price is not expensive (about $25 bux for gaskets and time to do it yourself) but the peace of mind is priceless. Mine was missing a section where it goes through the gasket - don't know what happened to the missing bits - maybe in a filter somewhere - and the bolts (there are 4 from memory) were only finger tight. It came this way from the factory, so good that it lasted 8+ years.

I will try and find a picture...

Found it!
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:34 pm

Thanks Tony.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:09 pm

I ended up taking to the dealer as I don't have the time to investigate. They reckon the fault was the oil pressure sensor and replaced it. It worked for 2 weeks and came back on again. So I took back and replaces it again for free, reckon it was a faulty batch as some piaggio scooters had similar issues. This one lasted a week and the fault is back.
Starting to worry now as I have trip to Scotland coming up and need bike to be in tip top.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:20 pm

Tell them to stop being lazy arses and pull the sump.



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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:00 pm

Maybe after the 10th switch, they'll have a clue! lol
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:09 pm

By which time it will probably of run its big ends and they won't know why........
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Fri Mar 17, 2017 9:22 pm

Most likely Pete.
I just indulged in sarcasm a bit. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Thu Apr 20, 2017 7:30 pm

I hate it when threads end in a Cliffhanger like this one..

What happened to his trip to Scotland ?

Was the dastardly dealer caught & dealt with before the engine was toast ?

Does the hero of our story save the day ?
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:03 pm

My apologies for the cliffhanger ending........
so the dealer agreed to drop the sump, but only after he confirmed this on the dealer portal. (Must be connected to GRiSO Ghetto). The mechanic who is a top bloke actually, his boss is the grumpy one, said that the gasket looked ok, maybe a little crispy... in any case the problem has been rectified. The reason I didn't post was that I been clocking up miles like crazy. The bike was off the road for so long I had to ride.

Scotland trip looks like June, I can't bloody wait.

Thanks for all your help.
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Thu Apr 20, 2017 11:13 pm

For anyone interested there are better gaskets than the factory originals. I only recently discovered this but they are available from the usual suspects.

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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:42 am

SuperSimo,  

Now your teasing; everyone here was guessing it was the gasket. Yet the mechanic said the gasket was ok. But the problem was rectified. How did they do that?

Bill is still twitching over the oil pressure light incident on his Norge; you need to tells us man !Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:40 pm

The mechanic changed the gasket, although it looked ok, although 'crispy' he replaced it.

It certainly seems to have fixed the problem. Although he used an OEM Neutral But at least I know if it happens again...
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Tue Apr 25, 2017 2:43 pm

Thanks. It all adds to our collective knowledge. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Tue Apr 25, 2017 3:34 pm

Nobleswood wrote:
SuperSimo,  

Now your teasing; everyone here was guessing it was the gasket. Yet the mechanic said the gasket was ok. But the problem was rectified. How did they do that?

Bill is still twitching over the oil pressure light incident on his Norge; you need to tells us man !Shocked

Whoa! Just saw this.

Guilty, Your Honor. farao

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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Tue Apr 25, 2017 6:45 pm

Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Sat May 06, 2017 7:45 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
For anyone interested there are better gaskets than the factory originals. I only recently discovered this but they are available from the usual suspects.

Pete

Pete,

Where do we find the better gaskets ? Question

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Oil warning below 2000rpm   Wed May 24, 2017 12:03 am

Hi All, just come across this thread, My GRiSO is doing the same, oil lamp comes on just after a while, below 2k revs.
I was just going to top up/change the oil, but reading this it seems the problem is more serious?

I'm no mechanic, therefore is dropping the sump and replacing the gasket a fairly simple job or am i best taking it to a dealer? which gasket is it that needs replacing? any one have any pictures or guides as to how to do this?

Many Thanks chaps!
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