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PostSubject: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Sun May 13, 2018 7:43 am

Customer is now putting 1200 cyl on his 1100G, what an 1136 or some such thing. He may get 10hp, maybe.
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Sun May 13, 2018 3:23 pm

a 1200 ish 2V engine can be made into a well sorted steed, especially with assistance form Mr Beetle
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Sun May 13, 2018 6:01 pm

Just wondering if anyone else here has done the big bore conversion. I would imagine cut cyl's and trim the piston tops.
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Sun May 13, 2018 6:20 pm

Just replace the 1100 crank with a 1200 one, barrels, cylinders to match - I assume the stroke is different so go with the 1200 crank. If the throttle bodies and heads are the same, they should be good to go. Mapping will need to be changed.


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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Mon May 14, 2018 12:29 am

It would be faster with Matris'd ends on it.
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Mon May 14, 2018 1:36 am

I have test reports for the 1100 GRiSO and 1200 Norge both by the same magazine (Motorcycle consumer news). The GRiSO makes 74.19bhp/57.85ft lbs, the Norge makes 71.2bhp/59.2 ft lbs.

I have owned a 1200 Breva (Norge without fairing) and a 1200 Sport both 2 valvers and couldn't tell the difference between the 1200 and and my present 1100 engine.
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Mon May 14, 2018 12:51 pm

This particular G11 has been breathed on very heavily, pretty modified. Kinda like a grenade if you do too much wfo. Owner loves it to death. Now he wants a bit more. I'll bet the pistons will have to loose some weight.
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Mon May 14, 2018 2:59 pm

I was trying to remember if the 1100’s and 1200 2V’s use the same stroke? They don’t, the 1200 has a 3mm longer stroke. Now unless I’m mistaken they both use the same rods which means the deck height of the 1200 pistons would need to be 1.5 mm lower. Sticking the 1200 barrels and pistons onto an 1100 would result in low compression ratio and lousy squish, you certainly wouldn’t gain anything I wouldn’t think. You might be able to turn 1.5mm off the bottom of the fins but I don’t know if the spigot would then foul the crank or if the rods would foul the cutaways in the spigots? Compression would still be down though.

I think if he wants to do it properly he’ll need an 81mm crank as well.

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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Mon May 14, 2018 3:11 pm

lot of work/money for little gain. More power> get other cam.
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Mon May 14, 2018 10:48 pm

Buy a Suzuki? scratch
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Tue May 15, 2018 8:44 am

buy a 1200 motor
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PostSubject: Re: At it again.   At it again. Icon_minitime1Tue May 15, 2018 12:24 pm

It already has a cam in it, we did that 1st time around. I think he likes riding his Triumph but likes wrenching on the G.
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