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Pete Roper
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PostSubject: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sat Apr 20, 2019 10:31 pm

Well, that was the story. Poor 2010 Stelvio, needs rollers. New owner trailers it down from Newcastle and the story comes out.

This was the one that has been for sale in Merimbula on the south coast for ages. 48,000km, not rollerised. OK, that's not fatal. But it's last owner was "An Engineer". I dunno why this is seen to mean anything? I know of one 'Engineer' who runs a bike shop, couldn't get Guzzidiag to work and who couldn't diagnose a series of inconsequential issues with his own GRiSO! Turns out he is a Civil Engineer so he might be able to knock up a multi storey car park that won't fall down but he knows fuck all about motorbikes!

Anyway, I digress. Running a quick eye over this piece of two wheeled magnificence what do I find at the throttlebodies?

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WTF is all that shit about? And what do you reckon the center to center distances were accurately measured?

And the 'Sacred Screw' has been buggered about with!

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And just to put the cherry on top of the icing on the cake it has a PCV+AT!

To me it smells of the dead hand of Toad Vegan! Yet another one that runs so shittily that the owner has passed it on.

Ah well. We'll rip the map out of it and send it to Mark. He'll probably be able to tell if it's one of the Master's reflashes. Then we'll try and find out if the TB's are un-fuckable. With that crappy setup on the linkage rod and a sodimised Sacred Screw and the need for Rollerisation it might not be worth it for the poor owner to fix all its embuggerances. Even if it were in tip-top rollerised condition it's still 9 years old, never had its swingarm and shock linkage greased to our knowledge so its worth a max of $7.5K. Since it's aflat tappet munter that probably needs new TB's it's value is really pretty low! How much money would he want to sink into it?

We get all the good jobs!

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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sat Apr 20, 2019 11:18 pm


Words fail me. Except for such things as: Egads! Crivens! Arse!



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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:31 am

Mere apprentices - now the master has it to set it to rights. Pete a pain to be sure, but it's what you do...
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sun Apr 21, 2019 1:38 pm

Well shit, if anybody can bring this bike to life without selling the house, it's you guys. lol
It'd be worth it to have an extra CARC bike around me think...
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sun Apr 21, 2019 5:18 pm

It may be what I do Tony but the issue is "Is it worth it"? Much though I hate to see bikes sent down the wrecker's route the sad and simple fact is that sometimes they simply aren't worth saving.

Look at this thing. It needs a B kit we think. There's $2K straight off the bat. Then what happens if it needs new TB's? Something I think is a very strong possibility. There's another $1.5K. Then there is the embuggerance of removing the PC/AT and sorting any damage it may of caused. We'll suggest dropping the sump and spacer to replace the early, fragile, spacer gasket. It'll most likely need swingarm bearings and a shock linkage and what about steering head bearings? So we're already looking at probably $4.5-5K in repairs. We have no idea if the PC/AT will of worn the rings out and have no ideas of history to allow us to even guess at other potential problems.

I don't know how much the current owner paid for this POS but I know John at Motocicolo knew of the bike and said the owner wanted $6.5K. My guess is he sold it for $5K max. So if we go in and it's a 'Best case' scenario the current owner will be looking at another $4-5K spend. He'll then have a bike that has cost him nearly ten grand and it's resale value will be $7.5K. It just doesn't make financial sense.

We'll have a bit of a poke around and then tell him what we think. If he still wants to go ahead? Fine, but it will be an 'Open cheque' proposition because we won't know what we are going to find and there is still the possibility after 48,000KM that it may lunch it's bottom end after it is rollerised.

Unfortunately if it looks like a turd and smells like a turd it is very highly unlikely it's going to turn into a beautiful butterfly.

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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sun Apr 21, 2019 6:19 pm

I bought a MKIII Le Mans off a Qantas engineer once.
(2 weeks later several Qantas jets had failures on take-off from Sydney)

I needed a 3' breaker bar to get the spark plugs out.
Swingarm spindles so tight the rear suspension was rigid.
Jacked up bike to clean front wheel, bottom fork legs/wheel fell off.
Spun a big end after 10,000km, shells with differing part # fitted.
No dowels in the main bearing housing, full oil pressure to top end with reduced pressure to bottom end.

I think I know who fixed those planes.
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:12 am


I was feeling mighty perky when I got up this a.m.

Then I read this thread. Sad

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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:55 pm

I work with nuclear engineers - would I trust them to work on my Guzzi? No, no, no, no, no, no, no...
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Mon Apr 22, 2019 9:18 pm

Is this a red stelvio ? I tried to look at one at Pambula about 6 weeks ago. I asked if it had been rollerized and he said he thought it had been done by the previous owner. I asked to pop a rocker cover to check. After that it seemed he came up with every excuse he could to not let me see the bike.
In the end I told him forget it.
If its the same bike, he knew it was shagged..pity the new owner.
I know it shouldn't, but knee cap comes to mind...just sayin Evil or Very Mad
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Mon Apr 22, 2019 11:24 pm

Yup, that's the one. I really dislike people who play these sorts of games.

New owner paid $5.8K! Shocked Anyway, we are going to make an assessment as to its suitability for repair. New owner seems keen but I may well try to dissuade him if we think it's too high risk.

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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Tue Apr 23, 2019 1:56 am

48,000km, mine has just reached that, i hope they go on for a bit longer........
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:02 am

Pete Roper wrote:
Turns out he is a Civil Engineer

Pete

no such thing as civil engineer Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:20 pm

Just so happens I'm a Civil Engineer (34 years now), and I work on my own bikes.....but I know when it becomes more than I can handle and that's when I call in the Professionals! I hope you guys aren't designing your own septic systems! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:03 pm

Shit flows downhill, what else is there to know? Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Wed Apr 24, 2019 5:12 pm

ghezzi wrote:
I bought a MKIII Le Mans off a Qantas engineer once.
(2 weeks later several Qantas jets had failures on take-off from Sydney)

I needed a 3' breaker bar to get the spark plugs out.
Swingarm spindles so tight the rear suspension was rigid.
Jacked up bike to clean front wheel, bottom fork legs/wheel fell off.
Spun a big end after 10,000km, shells with differing part # fitted.
No dowels in the main bearing housing, full oil pressure to top end with reduced pressure to bottom end.

I think I know who fixed those planes.

Was a Sydney or Brisbane based engineer ?
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Wed Apr 24, 2019 6:45 pm

In the interest of causing NO offense, I refuse to answer that question until all aircraft engineers on this forum have been identified. jocolor

Waterbottles work passes all tests, well, apart from oil leaks. Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:15 am

As long as no one on here works on the Moto Guzzi factory assembly line! That seems to be where a lot of the problems start!
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Thu Apr 25, 2019 10:44 pm

Well for what its worth, as you all know my GRiSO was very nearly a parts special too until Pete waved the wand over it. I just got back from a trip to Adelaide on it where it ran faultlessly. Just on 4000kms in nine days. It now has a tad under 94,000 kms on the clock. Weirdly I got better fuel economy from 95 octane than 98 which I always use where available, bike seemed to like it better too from my seat of the pants feelomometer.
It'll go back to Bunged end later this year for the annual once over and swingarm check. In between it'll get oil and a filter this time around.
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:33 am

Maybe that bike had a cruise control on it.
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:29 pm

1.
Street wrote:
Shit flows downhill, what else is there to know? Laughing
2. Don’t chew your fingernails
3. Pay day is Friday
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sat Apr 27, 2019 12:01 am

marcdavo wrote:
Is this a red stelvio ?
I know it shouldn't, but knee cap comes to mind...just sayin Evil or Very Mad
Marcdavo , was this person saying he was an aircraft engineer ? If so pm me the fools name, it’s a very small industry, we shall expose him scratch Mad
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sun Apr 28, 2019 2:21 am

No Ron, he didn't say what he did for a living. I never met him, only spoke a few times on the phone. Didn't get a look at the bike either. I just asked if it had been rollerized and could I check and he went from keen to full of excuses cagey almost instantly.
Peter was his name. South American/ Argentinian kinda accent.
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sat May 11, 2019 8:37 pm

I have learnt from experience that buying a bike from a mechanic may be a negative, rather than positive aspect of a purchase- two bikes I purchased in the last couple of years from mechanics:
Guzzi:
BOTH wheels loose.
Valve clearances on the left side set backwards. (Exhaust was Inlet spec and vice versa)
Sump plug stripped with incorrect plug installed.
Disintegrated foam from airbox filled filter.
Swelling fuel filter.
Broken fuel connector at pump.
(minor) Both bar clamps on backwards.
CBR1000F I bought in February from mechanic- spent 8 weeks of every day off fixing poor workmanship/bodginess:
Cam timing wrong. (he said he had fixed the internal cam chain tensioner so it was him)
Ignition switch would not lock and bodgied- a separate secret toggle switch with wires pushed into fuse box could start an unlockable bike. Yay
Valve clearances- inlet were way too loose exhaust too tight.
Brake and clutch master windows cracked so rubber plugs placed in cylinders to stop leaks. Leaking brake plunger in master.
Motobatt battery fitted with adaptors meant positive lead of battery nearly rubbing frame (negative) with uninsulated positive terminal- fire waiting to happen there.
Ridiculous amount of silicone on valve cover gasket. Reused gasket without silicone and it doesn't leak.
Broken and bodgied seat lock. (cable tie to open seat)
Broken aluminium 'ears' from around sump plug.
Missing o ring and washer off pilot screw. Float heights incorrect. Diaphragms shrunken in carbs- probably from carb cleaner use- rubber doesn't like it.
Lots more but I think you get the idea. In my experience bikes owned by mechanics are not looked after well. Pretty incompetent these ones too- especially the CBR guy.
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sat May 11, 2019 9:43 pm

Tony you arriving on the border next week? We will be there early - we can't help ourselves, and we'll be in the usual spot, as per the last few years...
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PostSubject: Re: It was looked after by an Engineer.....   It was looked after by an Engineer..... Icon_minitime1Sat May 11, 2019 10:02 pm

well known parable... the mechanic always has the worst car in the street.
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