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BowraBoy
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PostSubject: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:14 pm

Hi Gang,

My 2009 GRiSO 8V has recently passed the 80,000km mark with me on board - many thinks to Pete Roper for fixing up a number of travestiers committed by a local shaved ape who showed that he didn't know as much about Guzzis as he reckoned he did.

Of late it can take as much as 6 attempts of turning the ignition key/pressing the starter button before it actually activates the starter motor. At all times there is an audible electrical-sounding 'click' when I press the starter button but that is all.

I always have my bike on an Oxford trickle charger which is telling me that my battery is 'Fully charged' and 'Strong'. Nonetheless I will take it into my friendly auto electrician, who is a fellow Ulyssian, to have the battery's health reviewed.

For Pete Roper I have not yet installed the relay set I got from you which takes power on a more direct route to the starter motor. Would that help?

If the battery is okay I thought the next step would be to check the connection between the starter button and the starter motor. In the worst case the starter motor may need replacing.

Has anybody else ever had similar issues? Is it possible toi have a starter motor 'cleaned/ reconditioned' ? Is it something I could do myself?

Thanks in anticipation of some useful suggestions.

Cheers,

Todd
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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:57 pm

Hi Todd, "startus interruptus" sounds like, as well as a possible failing battery (funny they don't last forever). Install the kit, now, or have it installed, now.

Starter motor will not need replacing. Get you battery checked ASAP. If dead/dying, replace it.

If Pat was around, I'm sure he would assist - but he has absconded northward, doing a lap of the map.
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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:59 pm

That's classic "Startus Interruptus".

Install the kit you got from Pete.




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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 22, 2020 12:29 am

Thanks guys,

I'll get the battery checked/replaced AND Pete's kit installed.
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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 22, 2020 2:21 pm

Do the kit first, Todd.

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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:19 am

Does the kit replace the woefully undersize wire from Relays to starter solenoid?
It should be a #16 or metric equivalent 1.5
Once again yesterday I dropped my GRiSO at zero speed, coming out of the driveway an unexpected vehicle coming up the hill so I had to stop my left leg is too short, it wouldn't crank (Tipover switch I believe) so I removed the seat and made use of the emergency bare spot on the wire, fired up straight away.
I don't know how long it takes to reset from a tip over but it seems to take forever, both times it fired up by touching the solenoid wire onto the battery.
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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:15 pm

Hi Roy,

The kit is one provided by Pete Roper so I have no doubt it will do the trick. Yes it takes a wee while for the tipover switch to cut out but remember that whenever we drop a bike at low/zero speed it is both annoying and embarrassing (particularly if, as in my case, it is due to duck's disease (arse too close to the ground) and the time before we are ready to go again seems to take forever.

Hope you're enjoying Canada. I lived for 14 mos in New Brunswick when I was in the Aust Army and I loved Canada.
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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Mon Jul 06, 2020 10:56 am

Hi to all, when the problem occurred to my bike, i did this [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
After that, i replaced the battery with a motobatt, worked well for few monthes and then startus interaptus came back.
Three years ago i replaced the motobatt for an oem yuasa made in usa. Since then, never used baypass button again 😉
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PostSubject: Re: Reluctant Starter Motor   Reluctant Starter Motor Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 03, 2020 12:27 am

My auto electrician mate checked my 4yo battery - producing 1/3 of expected power, so a new battery went in. Still reluctant to start so in went the relay from ignition to solenoid. Better, but still a tad reluctant to start unless solenoid given a love tap with something - I figured that would do until fixed properly. Rang Mario from Thunderbikes Perth on Friday, new Valeo starter motor/ solenoid arrived today (Monday) on the east coast - impressive. Installed starter motor this afternoon, used an axle grinder to reshape the back portion of the plastic guard to fit (as clued in by Mario) and then (because battery had been disconnected) reset the SERVICE warning. Starts first time every time - this may help with Gertie's reluctance to start when <15 degrees ambient temperature (has needed throttle maintained slightly open to start at those temperatures).
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