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PostSubject: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:31 pm

Hey you all,

I broke my key, the little tiny nub off the tip, and the bike won't start. I'm having bad moto karma these days....

So, I've getting key blanks, and my locksmith thinks he can recut the blank to work, but the chip....


My local guzzi shop in brooklyn is very busy and can't seem to work anything in... Is there anyone in NYC, or any type of shop, that could reprogram the cut keyblank chip with my existing key?

Also, do you need the bike to do that? Or can the shop do it without the bike?

Thanks
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 12:58 pm

Do you know what the user code is for your bike?
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:09 pm

I contacted the previous owner to see if I can get it.

If I get it then what??

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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:18 pm

Then you can program the new key yourself.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:22 pm

There's a good account of the procedure here.

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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:29 pm

Sadly I doubt the previous owner has it...
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:10 pm

Well you had better hope it's something simple like the last five numerals of the Vin # or you're going to need a new dashboard. How many keys do you have?
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:16 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
Well you had better hope it's something simple like the last five numerals of the Vin # or you're going to need a new dashboard. How many keys do you have?

is it user selected?

i have only one key. the one with the broken tip...

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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:29 pm

Yes. The user code is entered by either the end user or the dealership that sells the bike.

If you only have one key and it's broken you will have to first get the tip out of the bottom of the barrel so another key can be inserted and then get the new key cloned to the old one. In fact it would be best to get at least two cloned so you have a spare.

This doesn't unfortunately solve all your problems. While you will now be able to start the bike if the new key will turn the ignition lock you won't be able to change the code because the 'Code recovery' function requires two keys but the dash will only recognise cloned keys as a single key. That means if you do ever have problems with the immobiliser antenna the bike will be dead in the water as you need the user code to start it.

If the newly cut key won't work the ignition lock because of the jammed piece in the barrel then I'm afraid you'll be up for a new lock set and dashboard.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:34 pm


Yes, it’s user selected. If the code has never been entered, the dash keeps reminding you. The default from the factory is 00000. Owners sometimes use the last 5 digits of the VIN, or sometimes the service code. 12425. Worth a try.


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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 3:38 pm

Thanks all. Will try. The tip isn’t stuck in the barrel, it came off elsewhere.

Thank!!

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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 4:10 pm

beetle wrote:

Yes, it’s user selected. If the code has never been entered, the dash keeps reminding you. The default from the factory is 00000. Owners sometimes use the last 5 digits of the VIN, or sometimes the service code. 12425. Worth a try.



What does the dash say? I remember seeing something about a user code....
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 23, 2020 5:23 pm

If it’s never had a code inserted when you turn the ignition on you’ll get a message saying ‘Don’t forget to insert your user code’ at the bottom of the LCD screen. It will go away after 20 seconds or so.

If no code has ever been entered you should be able to use five zeroes to access the main menu. Once there you can go to the ‘Change the code’ function and choose your own code. Choose something you can’t forget.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 24, 2020 3:21 am

The blade is broken but the head is OK??

You can get the chip cloned.
This doesn't help with all the functions of the ecu / immobiliser but as you only have one key it gets you back to where you were with keys.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:11 am

eeyore wrote:
The blade is broken but the head is OK??

You can get the chip cloned.
This doesn't help with all the functions of the ecu / immobiliser but as you only have one key it gets you back to where you were with keys.

hey!

yes the head is just fine. and how do i get a chip cloned??? once its cloned can i ride the bike as i had before? do i need the ecu / immobiliser or is that simply a security function that i don't need?

thanks, and sorry for my confusion here.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:45 am

Find a master locksmith that has the facility to clone keys - most high end auto key cutting shops in the UK will do this but don't know about NYC.
They scan the chip in the broken key and then program the new blank with the correct code and cut the key to match the key you have managed to get re-cut.
They may reprogramme your own pre-cut key.
You can also just cable tie the broken key to the new key. If the antenna picks up the chip in the broken key it will start.

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MG UK will supply a key cut to the correct profile from VIN numbers / proof of ownership. The key supplied still needs to be programmed.

True story.....
When a young child swallowed the head of his mothers car key preventing the car from Starting.
A vehicle recovery service was contacted. The person at the call centre instructed the parent to hold the child in close proximity to the car ignition and attempt to start the vehicle......
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:50 am

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AF1 racing in Texas has a key cloning service. It works great, no issues. They have good instructions on how to send your only key to them.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:54 am

Forgot to mention - when new, your bike is supplied with 2 keys (in the perfect world it should be 3) Key A & Key B.
You need a minimum of 2 different keys to allow further keys to be programmed - hence the need for 3 keys!
When you get a key cloned you end up with 2 identical keys. You can clone as many keys as you want but the bike will only see the 1 key. This would prevent the bike from programming further keys.

From a riding point, if the clone is successful you don't need to do anything to the ECU. Just use the key and ride as normal.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Mon Aug 24, 2020 1:19 pm

eeyore wrote:

From a riding point, if the clone is successful you don't need to do anything to the ECU. Just use the key and ride as normal.  

And without the user code, cloning the key is the only easy way out.  Do at least two in case this happens again.
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 25, 2020 12:34 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
Do you know what the user code is for your bike?

PROGRESS!

I got key blanks cut to the slightly broken key, and it fits and turns on the GRiSO! Oddly enough, with the new key it opens up to "Enter User Code". I enter 00000, and it lets me start the bike!

Trouble is, I can't find "Menu" anywhere. I have a '13, and it only has the one button on the left hand side where the index finger is... and no where can i find "Menu".

So I can't do the thing with the "Set User Code" or "Change Code"

I'm trying to follow these instructions:
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Any suggestions you all amazing GRiSO peeps!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:34 pm

Ahhhh... MODE.

So I changed the code...

But now that I try to program the key, I go into "Diagnosis" and I have no idea what my "Service Code" is... I tried my user code and it doesn't work.

How do i find my Service Code???? I see the manual says "only moto guzzi shops have this code"

sheesh...

thanks,
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 25, 2020 1:56 pm

OHMYGAWD.....

I figured it out:
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I PROGRAMMED MY KEYS!!!!!@

THANK YOU ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!



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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:05 pm

The service code is part of the Ghetto's banner. Furthermore, I told you the code a few posts back.


Sigh.





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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:08 pm

So the user code was set the same as the service code?
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PostSubject: Re: Key Chip - Broke Key!   Key Chip - Broke Key! Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 25, 2020 2:33 pm

Nope. It just hadn't been set ever so it was on the factory default still.
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