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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:19 am

Thought I had read somewhere that the new Guzzi was going to be a L twin like Ducati.
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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:44 am

It would of made more sense but I don't remember any suggestion that that might be the case.
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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:23 am

What’s with the dirt bike tyres on the FTR 1200? They’re going to squirm all over the road and wear like crazy, all whilst providing less than moderate handling ability on the tarmac which is where this bike is surely best suited. I don’t get it.
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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:19 am

Brent S wrote:
What’s with the dirt bike tyres on the FTR 1200? They’re going to squirm all over the road and wear like crazy,.......

Last year I had a 2 hour test ride on an FTR-

I really liked the bike it was a weaker version of the Ducati Monster - too expensive and a worse pillion seat but nice to ride.

And the tyres that look-like-dirt-tyres  did not squirm and were confident and accurate.  
They felt as good as the Metzler Roadtec01 on my Monster - and they are pretty damn good.
No doubt a GP rider would have found more grip on the KTM but we couldnt find much difference.

Maybe different when they square off


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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:22 pm

Not doubting your feedback, but they’re clearly a crossover tread design. However good they may feel, a proper road tyre would be better on sealed roads in all respects. If the bike was a Stelvio tourer for example, I’d understand, but this bike seems to be nothing of the sort, hence my confusion in the tyre choice.
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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:01 pm

Brent S wrote:
What’s with the dirt bike tyres on the FTR 1200? They’re going to squirm all over the road and wear like crazy, all whilst providing less than moderate handling ability on the tarmac which is where this bike is surely best suited. I don’t get it.

They’re designed to look like dirt track racing tyres, cos the bike was designed to look like a dirt tracker, so Indian could cash in on the fad for trackers at the time and the fact they were winning most of the trophies at the DTRA... obviously they overestimated the demand for 13-15k dirt trackers and they didn’t sell well (see also Husky Svartpilen 701). Most of the hipsters who were moving through the cafe racer scene on to trackers had no money so had to stick to butchering CXs and Viragos then taking off their mudguards for their ‘builds’.

Indian now seem to have realised that the platform is good but the tracker thing isn’t so have made the new ones more like nakeds and given them normal road wheel sizes and tyres and toned down the dirt track marketing guff.


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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:26 pm

Brent S wrote:
What’s with the dirt bike tyres on the FTR 1200? They’re going to squirm all over the road and wear like crazy, all whilst providing less than moderate handling ability on the tarmac which is where this bike is surely best suited. I don’t get it.

I felt the same way on my Indian FTR1200S. I replaced my tires with Bridgestone Battlax Sport Touring T32s. They weren't my first choice but Covid-19 made availability of other ones hard to obtain.

I'm very happy with these tires on the tarmac (I try to avoid gravel roads). Comparing to the originals, it was like chalk and cheese.
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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sun Aug 29, 2021 12:47 am

I will never sell my GRiSO. And perhaps I am getting old but I cannot find a great replacement anywhere.

But I might trade my 2 other bikes (Honda CB1100 and Suzuki DRZ400S) for something electric - once the range of these bikes increases and the price goes down. Little chance that will happen very soon.

I have always liked the R9T but never liked the association I have with BMW as a brand: boring, arrogant, expensive.

I really want to like the Triumphs (esp the Speed Twin and Thruxton), but whenever I see them in the wild, I am underwhelmed.

If I ever see a reasonably priced Yamaha Niken, I might be tempted. It is as ugly as it is fantastic to ride. Or perhaps the Yamaha 900 Tracer?

So far not impressed by the "spy shots" of the new Guzzi.
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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Tue Aug 31, 2021 10:31 pm

Personally, I replaced my former 2013 GRiSO "Black Devil" with one of the last "Rosso Trofeo" available here in Europe early in 2017 in order to keep it as long as possible.

But, early this year, I added to it a brand New Moto-Morini 1200 Milano (in the Original "Limted Edition" version with only 30 numbered bikes produced).
If these bikes are very difficult to get by the time being - I imported mine from Belgium to France -  they are, IMHO, a real alternative to the GRiSO 8V as the Moto-Morini 1200 "Bialbero CorsaCorta" engine is a pleasure to run combining like the Guzzi 1200 8V, strong feelings of torque on low rev's and of power on the higher rpm's (even if, for the Milano, the engine is "only" 116 hp compared to the 139 hp of the sporty Corsaro models). The engine also offers lower inertia on acceleration and (much) higher engine braking that, personnally, I like a lot.
Morini is using Mupo suspensions and these are really high-end, higher than the elements fitted on the GRiSO.
The master-cylinders are Brembo radial ones offering a better feeling and power than the original GRiSO ones. The Milano adds ABS to it but has no other "electronic" device making it, like the GRiSO, kind of old-school bikes to ride.
The Milano weighs 200 kg in running order making it easier than the GRiSO to handle, especially engine stopped.
The only "default" of the Milano is the 14-liter tank allowing a limited range of 200/220 km max besides the chain drive of course  Embarassed
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Riding both alternatively, if it is very difficult to compare them, both give me a lot of Emotion on rides.

Regarding the BMW R9T, to me, it is NOT an option as, during my tests in 2015 (the "standard version") and again in 2019 (the low end "Pure" version"), the boxer DOHC engine is kinda weak on the low rev's and needs some rpm's to run correctly and the power output is so linear that it gets boring.
And on the bikes I tested, the suspensions were of very poor quality, not adjustable with a soft fork and a hard tail. It seems that the 2020+ "standard" version has gained better suspensions (better balancing and adjustable in hydraulics) but the "Euro 5" emission regulations in place since January 1st 2021 here in Europe, seem to have weakened the lower end of the tacho Rolling Eyes

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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:39 pm

Hello all,

I personally did the swap the other way round. I agree with Rock80 about the Morini engine; the "small" one is even more pleasant to ride than the Corsaro' s. I did some serious modifications concerning injection, two lambda sensors (instead of one) and mapping with a result of 131 hp and 118 Nm. Nice torque from low revs, which is the most important. Morini presented a model named Granferro in 2009 which never went into production and it was my aim, to create something similar on base of a Granpasso.
After a long search I bought a 2012 GRiSO 1200 SE some weeks ago because of the total difference in bike type and to have a choice which one to take  Wink . This one too will be modified to my own liking and is momentarily awaiting it' s assembly after I got almost all of the needed parts. I will post the pictures of the finished bike soon.
For the moment I cannot imagine any bike which is really convincing me.

So long, Benedikt

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@ Rock80: GREAT avatar! :-)

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PostSubject: Re: What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore?   What if a GRiSO is not an option anymore? - Page 3 Icon_minitime1Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:57 pm

New? It would likely be a Speed Twin or the Kawasaki Z900 or Z900RS. However, both have chains.  With the release of the new V100 Chassis, I'd hope something from that line would be appealing. The Mandello initial release looks good, but it is in that weird zone (for me) of not enough and too much front fairing. I want a full fairing (i.e. Norge) or a small screen like the 1200Sport or nothing.

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