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PostSubject: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 12:59 pm

Ok, I'm pretty sure I know the answer, but would like some confirmation before I press the issue.

I just received a service stand I ordered from AF1.  This is OEM PN GU973243500010.  I was surprised to find only one bolt and bobbin in the packaging, so I called tech support.  However, I was assured that the GRiSO only needed one, not two as pictured in the link.  He stated the RH rear-set had a support point already there.

When I looked, there is a bushing, but it's much smaller diameter.  Also doing a quick fit check, it also looks like the support points are too narrow for the stand to engage properly using that bushing.

So... I need to request the bobbin/bolt from AF1.  Yes?
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:10 pm

yes it is supposed to have 2 the use of the rear set is bs
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:15 pm

This brings up a good question: what are the service stands being used out there?

I've seen some chock models, and now the AF1 mentioned in the OP.

I became interested in getting one after I observed how much more transmission oil drains out of the bike when stood upright during service.

$200+ seems a bit steep, but I can see it being a good investment.

Any other suggestions out there?
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:23 pm

Uzidzit wrote:
yes it is supposed to have 2 the use of the rear set is bs

Thanks. I appreciate the quick response/confirmation.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:35 pm

NorthBayGriso wrote:
Any other suggestions out there?

The Becker-Technik seems to be a popular choice, but I'm not certain about sourcing as the website states they won't ship to the US.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 1:44 pm

I bought mine from [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] in 2011, but [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.] typically carries it, and some other dealers also do.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 2:15 pm

What a load of crap, that tech is totally clueless. Two bolts and bobbins are definitely required, has always been that way, they are connected on my bike and the lift couldn't function with only one. The bushings are NOT support points. AF1 needs to straighten out their techs.  Rolling Eyes 

That said, you can probably source suitable bobbins at your local bike shop and bolts at your local hardware store.

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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 6:16 pm

I'm with Steak on this one...
Any Tech coming up with BS like this needs to have his balls shaved with a dull blade!
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:05 pm

the bobbins are an oddball bobbin, so get the right one, having used the factory and the technik stand the factory stand is much better and easier to use, less compact to store though

MG cycle gets the BT stand, it also tends to chew at two recesses in the side plates over time which i do not think represents a good design
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 7:44 pm

While I haven't actually tried it the bobbins seem to be virtually identical in appearance to the under-seat ones that are for bungee hooks for luggage. The only difference I believe is that the under seat ones are countersunk for the screw heads. Stick a suitably sized washer over the end of an under seat bobbin and get a longer bolt and then shriek and moan until they send you a new one.

I've been thinking of getting the *Other* Mark to turn me up a dozen or so bobbins just so I can install them on my customers Grisos. It makes servicing them so much easier.

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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Mon Jul 21, 2014 9:20 pm

The exchange with AF1 was not entirely successful. It was odd how they stuck to their story of only needing one bobbin, then offered a partial refund to offset the missing (unavailable) bobbin.

I'll see if I can find a local machine shop to turn down a replacement for me.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Tue Jul 22, 2014 1:04 am

Does anyone know if the bobbins are available on their own, or do they only come as part of the GRiSO service stand kit?
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Tue Jul 22, 2014 2:00 am

I find the factory one works a treat,also I thought it was a fair price as it comes with a little stand to put under your sump to remove front wheel and TWO bobbins.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Tue Jul 22, 2014 8:22 am

Pete Roper wrote:
While I haven't actually tried it the bobbins seem to be virtually identical in appearance to the under-seat ones that are for bungee hooks for luggage. The only difference I believe is that the under seat ones are countersunk for the screw heads. Stick a suitably sized washer over the end of an under seat bobbin and get a longer bolt and then shriek and moan until they send you a new one.

Pete

I noticed these, too, Pete.  They are a little shorter than the lift bobbins and a different diameter.  I'd be inclined to use them as a pair rather than mix and match.

In the mean time, I ordered a set of these: 8mm Swingarm D Axis Spools.  I'll re-post when I get them and the bolt to share how they worked out.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Tue Jul 22, 2014 9:45 am

Those look like they should work.

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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Thu Jun 09, 2016 2:39 pm

Does anyone have one of these HF lifts? I'm curious about trying it as they get a lot of good reviews on the HF site. I'm mainly looking for a cheaper alternative to the Becker and AF1 stands that I can use to get the bike off the ground during winter storage and remove the rear wheel. Seems like a decent price if it would work for the GRiSO. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:56 pm

I wouldn't leave MY GRiSO perched up on one of those things...

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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:28 pm

I use a front wheel stand when parking my bike.
Just ride the bike straight into the garage and on the stand, get off and walk away.
Not sure how good for servicing, but keeps the bike upright.
Also good when trailering the bike.
NZ$84 from Torpedo7

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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Thu Jun 09, 2016 10:43 pm

MrGpz That front wheel stand is the Shitz Thumbs Up
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Fri Jun 10, 2016 7:17 am

DangWangi wrote:
Does anyone have one of these HF lifts?  I'm curious about trying it as they get a lot of good reviews on the HF site.  I'm mainly looking for a cheaper alternative to the Becker and AF1 stands that I can use to get the bike off the ground during winter storage and remove the rear wheel.  Seems like a decent price if it would work for the GRiSO. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]

Have used that lift with the old T's & it was fine & had the C1400 up on it but that was a bit scary.

I don't have a shop at present so I can't put the Grizz on it but it would probably be OK for a rear tire change.

Long term storage? I wouldn't unless I rigged tie downs.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:10 am

I have OEM PN GU973243500010 but seems to be two bigger size bobbins than the picture in your link - unless it is perspective thing in picture. My experience is that the cross brace piece of the stand fouls the GRiSO intermediate exhaust pipe (has put small dent in it over time) so the bike is partially balancing on the exhaust system !. Also hard to line up the two bobbins and hold the bike upright at same time even when sitting on it....I fancy the ride into front stand approach.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Fri Jun 10, 2016 8:41 am

Hmmm...just checked and took a few pictures. Seems the 'OEM' stand fouls & dents the exhaust, has gouged the footrest support & (because it is hard to line up) has gouged the chrome side panel as well.......more patena = added value :-) See [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Fri Jun 10, 2016 11:56 am

paulbrice wrote:
Hmmm...just checked and took a few pictures. Seems the 'OEM' stand fouls & dents the exhaust, has gouged the footrest support & (because it is hard to line up) has gouged the chrome side panel as well.......more patena = added value :-)  See [You must be registered and logged in to see this image.]
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I think you've got your bobbins in the wrong location.  I made the same mistake at first.  Instead of mounting them behind the pegs, mount them just below and in front of the pegs.  That location will lift the rear wheel about an inch higher and the crossbar on the stand won't touch the exhaust pretzel.

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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:19 pm

When using the Factory stand , I put a bit of timber under the sidestand so the bike stands more upright. Makes lining up the stand/bobbins much easier. The bobbins go where Gnorts suggested.
N.B.G. you will get a bit more gearbox oil out if the bike is taken off the stand and leant over to the right a bit.
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PostSubject: Re: 2014 GRiSO Service Stand   Fri Jun 10, 2016 1:35 pm

I have a front wheel stand like MrGPz and the Becker centre stand. The front wheel stand is excellent for oil changes etc, but you need a stand to get the wheels off the ground for tyre changes etc. The Becker stand is brilliant in that the wheels on it allow you to move the bike around if need be.


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