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PostSubject: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:06 pm

From what I read all new bikes greater that 125cc must have ABS fitted for all new bikes sold commencing 2016 in Europe
Is this the reason for the demise of the GRiSO ? Or is the timing just coincidental.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 7:41 pm

A little of both really.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 8:44 pm

Stelvio won't be far behind. Nor will the Norge. Both models use Marzocchi forks, much easier to shit-can them than find a new supplier. It also allows them to wriggle out of the 'Ten year parts supply' rule.

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:05 pm

Piaggio doesn't need an excuse. Models can come and go as they decree.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:37 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
Stelvio won't be far behind. Nor will the Norge. Both models use Marzocchi forks, much easier to shit-can them than find a new supplier. It also allows them to wriggle out of the 'Ten year parts supply' rule.

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I'm assuming from that comment that Marzocchi have ceased to exist.
When you consider that wheels, discs and calipers are the same parts used on multiple brands of other bikes, that use multiple brands of other forks, Piaggio should be able to substitute any other fork without retooling.

ie, my Bellagio has disc diameter, offset and bolt pattern the same as all other Carc models and nearly every Ducati from the original 916 up to the latest Monster range, plus Aprilia RSV's etc.
I have used Brembo 4 spot - 4 pad calipers off a 998R Ducati. I have a front (BST) wheel from an Aprilia RS250. Everything lines up perfectly.

Surely there are a set of Showa forks that will meet the $crooges desire.

If Guzzi drop the whole 1200 8V range they will have only shit to sell, then again, it maybe their way of distancing themselves from an embarrassing product failure.
But will they introduce a whole new range of models based around a new power plant.
Water cooling scratch anybody?

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:40 pm

Yes, and it now seems that Guzzi is going to be the brand name used to sell fairground attractions rather than motorbikes! :angry:. FUCK THEM!

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:42 pm

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Pete Roper wrote:
Stelvio won't be far behind. Nor will the Norge. Both models use Marzocchi forks, much easier to shit-can them than find a new supplier. It also allows them to wriggle out of the 'Ten year parts supply' rule.

Pete

I'm assuming from that comment that Marzocchi have ceased to exist.
When you consider that wheels, discs and calipers are the same parts used on multiple brands of other bikes, that use multiple brands of other forks, Piaggio should be able to substitute any other fork without retooling.

ie, my Bellagio has disc diameter, offset and bolt pattern the same as all other Carc models and nearly every Ducati from the original 916 up to the latest Monster range, plus Aprilia RSV's etc.
I have used Brembo 4 spot - 4 pad calipers off a 998R Ducati. I have a front (BST) wheel from an Aprilia RS250. Everything lines up perfectly.

Surely there are a set of Showa forks that will meet the $crooges desire.

If Guzzi drop the whole 1200 8V range they will have only shit to sell, then again, it maybe their way of distancing themselves from an embarrassing product failure.
But will they introduce a whole new range of models based around a new power plant.
Water cooling  scratch  anybody?


Problem is the fork diameters and leading axle, brakes etc. aren't the issue.

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:49 pm

The 8V is not dead. The Cali 1400 isn't going anywhere. We may yet see a new big block model, but it won't be water cooled.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:58 pm

Only question for me is;
Is the 1400 engine/gearbox/swimgarm bigger/longer/heavier than the 1200 roller.

Meeting with the hub centre steer guys tomorrow, so will have to decide the best motive lump to attach to their bitz.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:17 pm

Everything bar the heads is the same. Heads are a bit taller that's all. Dimensionally identical.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Nov 28, 2015 10:24 pm

As an owner of both Pete, does the extra grunt of the 1400 make it a better motive unit?
Or is the 1200 smoother and freer reving?
I like the revy feel of Bella with its shorter stroke.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:38 am

Its not that simple, I think gearing has a lot to do with it. Gotta eat supper, I'll expand on that later.

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sun Nov 29, 2015 3:06 pm

I think it is for new models 2016, and 2017 for existing models.

The same with euro 4, so guzzi has one 1400(Audace) in euro 4 and the v9. So other 1400 will be the same as the audace, the v9 knowladge can be used for the v7 or they put the v9n engine is, and then the 1200 are left, maybe they can get the 1400 treatment, but if they can make it with the 5am? These are the things they need to work on in 2016. So or the 1200 is gone in 2017 or they have a trick. The v7 are the sales numbers so they figure something out there.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:17 am

One of the fastest growing segments of motorcycles is the ADV bikes. They'd be crazy to drop the Stelvio now. Especially since it seems to be building momentum in sales. At least here in the U.S.

The National this past year was dominated by new V7's, Cali's and Stelvio's.

There were demo rides and everyone that took a GRiSO out that had never ridden one, came back with a shit eating grin on their faces.

Leave it to Guzzi to completely shoot themselves in the foot.
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:44 pm

I like the Stelvio quite a lot, but it seems to be the defacto new choice for much of the suspender and corn cob crowd. The Stelvio is the first new bike many of them have bought since the California III.

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:54 pm

Oh god, say it ain't so!!!

I've noticed it too though. As who the he'll am I kidding. Those bastards are my peers ( age wise anyway).
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Thu Jan 07, 2016 3:36 pm

I find myself wandering here every now and again, hoping against hope I'll see a post that, yes, Guzzi IS delivering an ABS-kitted GRiSO. The only thing that keeps me from owning one again. Sigh. I agree with Pete, though: fuck'em Sad
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Fri Jan 08, 2016 11:15 am

A Ball Suck.

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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Jan 09, 2016 3:35 pm

So 20+ years ago I bought a brand new 1993 Suzuki GSX1100G and that year Suzuki discontinued it. Last year I finally buy a new 2015 GRiSO and Guzzi bags it.

DAMN IT!
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Jan 09, 2016 4:15 pm

I wouldn't bitch...you've got the best one! Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:03 pm

I wonder at what point parts availability may become a problem. confused
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sat Jan 09, 2016 5:17 pm

About 30 years from now.
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PostSubject: marzocchi   Sun Jan 10, 2016 1:21 am

According to a report on bikesales, it appears that VRM , another Italian company has taken over ownership and it may be still exist in the future
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Sun Jan 10, 2016 6:40 pm

Grisonut wrote:
I wouldn't bitch...you've got the best one! Very Happy

Not bitching. Even if I knew they were going to discontinue them I would have still bought one.

We just have a more exclusive club now. Thumbs Up
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PostSubject: Re: ABS (Antilock braking system)   Mon Feb 15, 2016 1:42 pm

Looks like Marzocchi will live on: bought from Tenneco by VRM Spa

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