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PostSubject: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Fri Sep 28, 2018 10:48 am

I bought GRiSO with Power Comander installed and I am not sure how to get it out myself. Is it possible to install Beetle map even on such configuration, or I have to take out PC first?

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Fri Sep 28, 2018 1:48 pm

Just follow the PC loom and disconnect it. Reconnect the injectors to the original loom and throw the PC in the garbage where it belongs.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Fri Sep 28, 2018 3:31 pm

Thank you a lot for advice
I will look at it morning. What I've seen yesterday: who install it done a nice job, as all wires are nice hidden in "original" wiring
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 12:41 am

What's the bike run like with the PC connected? Occasionally a owner may have paid for quality time on a dyno and maybe they have done a good job. More likely a Beetle map will be better but you never know.








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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 1:30 am

The power commander, especially with the auto tune supplement, can offer benefits over a fixed ECU reflash. With respect to Beetle's ECU reflash (which I have on my GRiSO) is all I need/want but I understand the alternative (which I have on one of my Cali 1400 and a couple of 1200 Sports.

I wouldn't knock either approach.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:05 am

For now I just disconnected PC and will decide after flashing map.
It was a bit problem to start - engine was dyeing on idle, but with little gas it was OK.

Thank you for suggestions.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 3:49 am

Has it been serviced and tuned properly? Just remapping it will achieve nothing if the baseline of its mechanical health hasn't been established.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:06 pm

Well all modification has been done by first user, who sold it while machine was in service more then one year for rollerisation and he wants bike for riding. So I know just PC is there.
At starter cover there is small black box with green glashing LED while engine runs.
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Is it part of PC, as in GRiSO spare parts catalogue there is nothing like this.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:22 pm

Nah, that's not a PC. It's even worse I reckon, it's probably an O2 sensor fooler widget.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Sep 29, 2018 11:49 pm

What does it mean? Could I continue with disconnecting PC or rather not?
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:42 am

To me it looks like you have a whole load of extraneous 'Snake Oil' type 'Magic' fixes added on to the bike, most likely sold to him at the behest of my favourite Motor Fucker in the USA, take it all off. Re-install the factory map and tune it correctly. Then, if you feel the need, add a map built by someone who knows what they are doing. The reason so many people use Mark's is because they work.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:58 am

OK, I will wait for cables for guzzidiag and then I will start with PC, where I at leat see the wires. After will try to take out this black box as all wires are lost somewhere down behind starter.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:29 am

Yes, it will be on a small sub loom that plugs in between the O2 sensor and the main loom. You will need to remove the starter motor cover and maybe the starter to access the plugs.

What else do you know about it's past? Can you try and find out where all this 'Wonder Shite' was purchased from? Info from the previous owner would be a huge help.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 5:15 am

This would be problem, as man I bought it, picked up GRiSO from service after rollerisation on Feb. 2017 as it was and just ride it. He did offered it just with PC, O2 he did not mentioned and when I asked him about "flashing black box" he supposed it as part of Dynojet PC.
I've take both PC and O2 out and now I have a problem. Both boxes were grounded on starter and when take out the ground bolt some aluminium pieces were on the bolt. Now I can't to (gently) screw it back. What can I do, to prevent even more damages?
At the evening I want to check, if it is really rollerised.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 10:42 am

Stick a helicoil in to replace the stripped thread, no big deal. I do worry that it may of been badly remapped as part of its 'Tuning' process by the previous owner, (The results of which were so good he immediately sold the bike!) so it may run like shite. Won't know until you try it.

Yes, check it's been rollerised. If it hasn't it won't matter what you do.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 12:15 pm

That little box is an o2 optimizer that Powercommander includes with the PCv. All you have to do is disconnect it and plug the OEM wires back together.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 1:31 pm

Seems like helicoil is not easy available here. Would this be OK as well: Self-tapping thread insert Pete?
I am n ot an expert, but according to pictures on web it should be rollerised
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isn't it?

All PC devices are out from GRiSO. When ground problem solved and cables ready I will try to load Beetle map for GPR exhoust.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 2:58 pm

Thread insert should be fine if there is enough metal in the boss to hold it.

Yep, those are rollers.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sun Sep 30, 2018 9:10 pm

Peter, move your main earths to the bolt that is in the clutch housing - makes a huge difference. I, too, stripped the original earth point - made my own stud after re-tapping the stripped hole the next size - it just mounts the cover over the starter motor now.
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Fri Oct 05, 2018 1:47 pm

OK, so all done:
- a neighbour did come today and installed helicoil
- my son had a fun at replacing map with Beetle one (I assume it was stock map from year 2008 as original)
- inserted both db killers into GPR exhaust

and at evening I had a time for short ride - very nice. Even if I had not courage to run over 3500 rpm.

Thank you all, especially to Pete for patience,
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Fri Oct 05, 2018 4:16 pm

Peter,

Tell us about the drawing in your avatar. Is this your son's artwork?

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Fri Oct 05, 2018 9:23 pm

Yes, it is first picture he has created where his idea was the same as our understanding - a snail. And it is partially about me, everything takes me...
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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Sat Oct 06, 2018 5:22 pm

Nice, I thought it was a snail. Sorry to hijack the thread, but here's one my youngest son made when he was four. He's twenty-nine now, but this has always been one of my favorites. I framed it and have it hanging in the bathroom.

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:47 am

Street wrote:
Nice, I thought it was a snail. Sorry to hijack the thread, but here's one my youngest son made when he was four. He's twenty-nine now, but this has always been one of my favorites. I framed it and have it hanging in the bathroom.

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Inspiring for sure, I've always appreciated your choice of mounting location...

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PostSubject: Re: Power Commander vs. Beetle map   Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:19 am

hezovka wrote:


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I had a time for short ride - very nice. Even if I had not courage to run over 3500 rpm.

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Get that courage soon.  cheers

Mine is virtually boring below 4K.  Very Happy

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