Speed Camera Detector

I installed an Infrad speed camera Detector today, i can see what they mean by not a lot of space!!!!!

Finally made up a bracket to fit the phone as a sat nav too

the bike is almost perfect now, shame the weather is on the change

I run Adaptiv TPX which has a flashing LED close to the speedometer, plus I have a bluetooth connection to my helmet. Even so, I haven't got off every situation, but it's nice to know when I'm being watched.

At least they're legal here in Kiwiland, not so over the ditch.

illegal only when caught, I say!

Can LEO's there detect such without a physical search?

Here, in Virginia, radar detectors are illegal and law enforcement folks have ways of detecting them from their cars.

I suppose that things likely go downhill from there quickly.

Being a microwave device - there are all sorts of ways to detect if you are being detected - hence the "I can detect you have detected my legal enforcement detector - I now have the right to search your vehicle".

Radar detectors can actually reflect the microwave signal ( a small part of it) giving a Doppler shift in received signal to the LEO - hence they think you "might" have a detection device. Often, radar requires around 3 seconds to settle before a consistent reading is done, giving the "offender" time to slow sufficiently for the settling speed which is the speed they book you at - hopefully on or under the posted limit. LIDAR works similarly, but I am not sure of the settling time on it - I "believe" it is 3 seconds also. Then again, every jurisdiction has their own "local" rules in application.

Court can sort out the reality but that can become very expensive. This has been done over here some years back, where a motorcycle rider (yes true) was allegedly exceeding the speed limit (60 km/h) by over 100 km/h on the Lidar, but withing the speed limit on RADAR. This was on a short straight in our infamous national park just south of Shitney (been done there myself, but that's another story). Unfortunately for the LEO, the victims dad was a barrister, and had diddly loads of cash to fight the charge. Before dismissing the case, the Judge asked the LEO "did you not find it somehow curious that you RADAR had one speed and your LIDAR another totally different speed, yet you chose to pick the higher?"

Case dismissed...

Mine is only a passive detector based upon positioning of static cameras. You can apply the update as often as you want and catch the mobile cameras as the police have to publish their positions (i think a week in advance?)
They are illegal in France, but as it is just a flasing light in a stick it looks like a quick shifter :-)

The more expensive options change the speed camera sign for a roadworks sign when you are in france!

Her in the UK with the plethora of static and average speed cameras, i very rarely see the police doing speed checks, even away from race meetings.

Fascinating stuff.

I am launching in an hour or so for a two-day run down to Atlanta.  Waiting for sunrise and winds to die a bit.

Anyway, I will be exclusively on back roads -- secondary, tertiary, and whatever fourthiary are.  

It's always interesting to me to see how different jurisdictions in the U.S. handle such things.

For example, if a Virginia state trooper stops you, you will get a ticket.  No ifs, ands, or buts.  But those humorless fellows spend most of their time on interstates and numbered U.S. highways.  In other words, I don't have to worry about them much.  Local law enforcement varies.  In Virginia, local sheriffs are out and about but, again, back roads are for locals and I haven't seen much of 'em.  A WEST Virginia state trooper takes a short cut through my part of tip-top Virginia to get to the rest of his patrol and has scared me feceless three times.  

But I will go through W.V., N.C., and Ga. on the trip.  Again, I don't worry too much on my route, tho the Georgia local "county mounties" tend to be everywhere, so I am extra careful there.

All of that said -- and unlike my sweet spousal unit -- I have a number of "good points" on my license, earned by each year without a ticket.  So, I could a nasty and not lose points.  Fine, yes; insurance upped, mebbe.  But no points.  Actually, too, on the Norge on twisty back roads, I really don't do warp speeds.  

Finally, if busted, once my helmet is off, and they see I am an Old Flatulent with a spotless record, well, it may not be fair, but it tends to stay that way.

Better get cracking.

Ciao!

Bill

P.S.  Sure hope I don't have to eat some of those words, above, in the next few days.  "Yes, Officer.  I know, Officer.  I'm sorry, Officer."  

Good Luck Bill, lets keep that licence clean!

Oz1200Guzzi wrote:

Being a microwave device - there are all sorts of ways to detect if you are being detected - hence the "I can detect you have detected my legal enforcement detector - I now have the right to search your vehicle".

A radio tech I talked to years ago said that he had made himself a device to transmit a Strong signal that would make the police radar detector register the speed limit, no matter what speed he was actually doing. How cool would that be. Is this even possible.
If it is, I'll take about 3 of them
A new project for you Tony ?

Bill, you should know - NEVER admit liability, very hard to back out of...

Ron,

no, definitely not. Too much other shit I "need" to do before one of those units. It is doable, but you would have to keep programming it for the current speed limit - maybe hook it up to you GPS?

On a (dis)similar vein, years ago I was employed (all long 8 months of it) to service and repair poker machines (slots for you lot on the other side of the specific pond). Went to an establishment where on a set day of the week (think it was Wednesday) this guy came in and always won big. Turns out he was from a two-way radio company and had a device in his pocket that targeted on particular machine. I checked the machine out and the shielding cage of the CPU was not fastened correctly.

Obvious to me, he was overloading it with RF and scrambled the innards until it came up with sufficient credits to make a worthwhile amount of money, he would then claim and bolt. After I redid the shielding, he stopped turning up and getting money for nothing. Wonder where he went to next?

kiwi dave wrote:

I run Adaptiv TPX which has a flashing LED close to the speedometer, plus I have a bluetooth connection to my helmet.  Even so, I haven't got off every situation, but it's nice to know when I'm being watched.

At least they're legal here in Kiwiland, not so over the ditch.

I have a TPX (v3) as well, i'm not that impressed by it yet. The first one didn't work and i sent it back for a warranty replacement after two weeks.
The second one i have only tested while driving, of the 5 times it has gone off, there is only about 400-600 metres warning, as opposed to the apparently 3k warning, it is supposed to have.
My brother has a second hand Escort 8500 that he bought off Trademe, this seems to give about 1k warning. So i let him ride in front.

MrGPz wrote:

The second one i have only tested while driving, of the 5 times it has gone off, there is only about 400-600 metres warning, as opposed to the apparently 3k warning, it is supposed to have.

I've been informed that the police are not meant to be operating their radar continuously, because apparently there are some devious road users operating radar detectors to keep their licence intact.  They are meant to activate it on visual contact, which is in your 400-600 metres.

Others are too lazy and just blast out the beam continuously.  They'll still get their quota, but the victims will be those without a detector.  If I didn't have a detector, my eyes would be more on the speedo than the road ahead.

Me, I just ride at or under the limit,
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.... for the Bellagio, that's about 200kph.

I use my detector to merely remind myself to ride at the posted speed limit.

Anyway back to reality, I understand the instant on Radars, there don't seem to be any lazy police on the road when i am on the road. I would like to know that this detector does work at long range, and is not just weak.

No experience with the TPX V3, my understanding is that it is the same at the TPX V2 (which I have) with the addition of red light and speed camera locations.  The V3 versions have to be continually updated for the additional features to be valid.

Perhaps your second one isn't much better than your first experience.  I know one person who has one, and he appears to be happy with its performance compared with a V2 one he also owned.

sidrat wrote:

The more expensive options change the speed camera sign for a roadworks sign when you are in france!

That's brilliant Mine changes to show 'zones' with speed camera's while in France, apparently that is legal but showing the individual camera positions is not. Since these zones are only a couple of hundred meters long it amounts to pretty much the same thing.

^^^ ^^^

An incognito tag is where it's at...you can even smile for the picture.

Regarding Radar detectors etc
An Old ( scaley ) radio tech explained that early detectors had a crystal radio wave generator inside the to generate the same carrier wave frequency as the radar gun tp aid detection of the speed trap radar gun etc.
But explained that modern detectors use an IC to generate the comparative frequency for the detection device. Therefore is is no longer transmitting (like the original detectors) a microwave signal to be detected. To my rudimentary radio knowledge this made sense.
Is there qualified information available how detectable Radar/Lidar detectors are to the local constabulary?
Perhaps Tony or Mark have a better understanding of this stuff.
Also radar detector is a offence and is big bucks and points in my state. NSW

Radar used radio waves, Lidar uses light waves. Both can detect speed as can a user detect when being detected. If you have the gear and the smarts, you can do anything.

BUT...

Remember these things are used for revenue and not for road safety, as the gubbermints says. Therefore to protect their turf, they prohibit you from protecting yours, in this wide brown country. Otherwise, why would they hide around the corner, nab you and, collect a portion of the revenue, if it was about road safety?

I was thinking that is would be an awesome idea to get so correctly designed signs made up to put over the "safety camera" signs and replace with the wording "revenue camera". I think there would be a hell of a stink, and rightly so. Me, yes, I am a bit twisted and not at all revengeful...

Mike, in answer to your question, regardless of how the frequency is generated, both systems use the Doppler effect to detect your speed - just one uses RF, the other light. Driving lights pulsed at the right frequency "might" confuse the Lidar, a radar jammer will confuse the Radar. Legalities, meh!

there are a few "for road safety" camera signs that I have been wanting to drop a 'revenue' sticker over for years....
guess we shouldn't put a Ghetto on the first production run...

Just bought the new Uniden R3, took it for a test run on Saturday, it went off three times giving me at least 1K warning all three times. Also has GPS for Static Speed cameras and Red light cameras. Has a marker button where it remembers where you are and ignores the same signal next time you pass that point.
Only need to work out a nice waterproofing and wireless earpiece for it.