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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:22 am

My mechanic also thought the cam and tappets were fine. I saw the photo's and said they look just like the failing ones posted here. So he agreed to send them to Piaggio and wouldn't you know they approved the kit.

So even if the mechanic thinks they are fine, have them send them in with the maintenance records. Worst thing that can happen is they say no (with more and more being submitted I suspect they are approving them to keep better public relations - but that may be laughable - but I'd like to think they are trying to keep this a cheap recall without doing the full monty.
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Nov 28, 2015 6:40 am

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As Pete say's why pay when you can claim.
I paid for mine because I have no service history but got the bike cheap because of that, so I didn't mind paying.
It would be worth getting both your cam boxes pulled to check and if you have a service history you get the kit free.
My bike was still running good when I did the swap but as you can see from the pictures the right side would have gone sooner rather than latter and filled the engine with swarf.

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It is best to get both pulled if I had only checked the left I would have said it was all good.
These had done 23000 miles.
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Nov 28, 2015 9:56 am

Cheers for this. I do have a full service history ( checked my service book this morning. )

I will get it stripped and get the pictures as well. Then go from there with the dealers if I see any of the above.

Thanks Pete/rboe/ little750 - avenues and pictures really help.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Nov 28, 2015 11:32 am

rollerised, new crank pump and cases done at 2,300 miles all under warranty, 2 years ago even though the bike is a 2009 :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:03 pm

Was it still within the warranty period? Warranty starts on the day of activation, usually the day of sale/registration. Not date of manufacture.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:48 am

No Pete it was not in the warranty period (I assume it was 2 years in 2009) It had gone through 2 owners, but did have a full Moto Guzzi Service history.
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:30 am

Hi all.

About to order my roller kit for piece of mind.

Are these still the right part numbers

1X 1A002063 KIT TIMING TRANSFORMATION - $1,050.78 EA. $1,050.78
4X 877847 SHUMMING WASHER - $1.50 EA. $ 6.00
4X 436438 VALVE SEAL RING - $0.79 EA. $ 3.16
2X 976376 Exhaust Manifold Gasket - $4.20 EA. $ 8.40
2X 873879 PACKING BETWEEN HEAD INTAKE FITTING - $7.28 EA. $ 14.56
2X 874621 GASKET - $42.80 EA.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 1:49 am

If you need a 'C' kit then you'll need a 'B' kit which I assume is 2063, (Yes, it is.) and all those bits. Are you sure those are the head gaskets you require?

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:01 am

Pete

In one of your posts you said
"Buy the 'B' kit and the other bits and either buy the head gaskets after measuring them or just go for the middle ones".

I thought that the head gasket part number shown was for the middle one. Is that correct
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 10:58 am

Look, buy the middle ones, (I'll check the number today at some point.) but if you find you need one of the other sizes give me a hoy, I have lots of left overs from 'C' kits so I can swap 'em for you.

Yes, you can generally just use the middle ones, the main purpose of the adjustability is to reduce emissions but if you can easily do it *Right* why not do so?

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:30 pm

Thanks Pete.

The number would be handy. It's just that I have to get the parts from Holland all at once as I ordered spark plug caps from the MG dealer in NZ and got the wrong ones.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 8:14 pm

For caps just get the SB05E NGK's. Pennies.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:03 pm

I got those after you posted what they were some time ago. The problem I had is that I went to the MG dealer in Matamata, closest to my town and they handed over what they said were the right caps and they were not as I found out when I got home. I also rang once for an oil filter and got the run around on that. Ended up getting a bunch sent over from Moto International. I digress bu I have no confidence in them as a dealer anymore. Shame really.

Back to point is that I am going to order a kit in the next couple of days at my own cost so I can sleep at night.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:06 pm

You want I grab you a pair and flick them over?

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:41 pm

Thanks but I have the right ones after reading a post of yours some time ago.

Just looked at an on line parts catalog and see the following for the head gaskets
874621 Cylinder head gasket 0,65 mm
874622 Cylinder head gasket 0,85 mm
976311 Cylinder head gasket 1,05 mm

I will order the 0,85s along with the other stuff and the B kit.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sun Nov 29, 2015 9:49 pm

Gee's, I'd pull the heads and check the old gaskets, but more importantly I would first measure the squish and then adjust accordingly.

If the factory doesn't give a flying fuck about shitty flat tappets, or 40 year old starter wiring diagrams, what makes you think they care about +/- 0.008" ?
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Dec 10, 2015 12:32 pm

Mark me in the completed column now, Steve emailed and said I can pick her up - which I'll do tomorrow, barring a blizzard, floods or me winning the lottery. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:23 pm

I have received my roller kit which I paid for myself.

Will have to install myself. Will do that next week hopefully. Has anyone posted a how to for the conversion. I have looked all over but cant seem to find one.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:28 pm

Yes, I have.

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:32 pm

But Pete, that seems so counter-intuitive..... geek
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:41 pm

Thanks Pete.

Did you get my message about TLM. Outstanding price
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:12 pm

My 2011 GRiSO SE is back from the dealer that did the conversion to rollers. I figured I'd do it over the winter months whether or not there was signs of damage. Well, there WAS signs of the impending failure and it seems I got this done before it got too bad. The GRiSO has 12,240 miles on the clock. The dealership submitted pics and paperwork and MG covered the cost of the roller kit! I had to pay the 5 hours of labor though. That seem palatable after not having to pay the $1050 for the "B" kit. I have had service done at the dealership, but did my own oil changes.


Here are some pics they sent me.

Now I'm anxious to ride it...and Beetle, have you made a roller map for the Zard "race" exhaust? Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Sat Feb 20, 2016 4:23 pm

Yes. Well, it was made with the help of tocino, and his GRiSO is a roller.
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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Mar 03, 2016 2:59 pm

This is probably very stupid of me but can you tell from this picture if my GRiSO has had the roller treatment. I've found out that the engine was changed in 2012 and am hoping it's got the later tappets. Thanks

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PostSubject: Re: Roller conversions   Thu Mar 03, 2016 3:08 pm

They're flatties and they're bad. I wouldn't ride it until you get rollerized.
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