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Pete Roper
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:31 pm

Yes, but to get to the 'Code Recovery' option the dash has to boot up and to do that it must recognise the key linked to it. If the dash doesn't recognise the key, ie it doesn't get fired up by the right key and therefore lockset, it will just default to asking for the user code. If this isn't known you're back at square one.

Good news on the fitting of Sport dashes to Brevas but as Steve said it didn't work when we tried it. There again maybe the dash we tried was wonky?

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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:59 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
Yes, but to get to the 'Code Recovery' option the dash has to boot up and to do that it must recognise the key linked to it. If the dash doesn't recognise the key, ie it doesn't get fired up by the right key and therefore lockset, it will just default to asking for the user code.

This is my point, Pete.  It is not the same dash, it is a replacement dash, not the original one.  The key info will be stored in the original dash which is no longer connected.

Do you think that perhaps they are really asking to present two keys that have identical code stored in them?
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:29 pm

No, the 'Code Recovery' function can only be implemented after the dash has booted up. Then, when you use 'Code Recovery' it will ask you to insert the second key so you remove the first one and insert the second within (?) 20 seconds. After this has been done it assumes that because you have two keys you aren't a robber and will ask you to insert a new code. Once that is done it's back to biznizz as usual. It does require though that the dash, the new or replacement one, recognisethe keys.

If the dash is new it will accept whichever key is used. If it's second hand it must be booted by it's previously matched key or it will default to asking for the previous code.

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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 09, 2018 8:46 pm

Pete Roper wrote:
If the dash is new it will accept whichever key is used. If it's second hand it must be booted by it's previously matched key or it will default to asking for the previous code.

Hmmm, so a purchase of a second hand dash must be accompanied by an associated original key (assuming the user code is not known).

I guess that once the second hand dash is presented with the associated key, then the user code then can be changed to a known value, and then the dash can be married to the bike's keys using the new user code.

I've never used the "code recovery", only by inserting user codes.  I've been very lucky in this respect.

Thanks for the clarification.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 12, 2018 10:23 pm

I believe you'll need both original keys that were previously matched with the new dash, not just one.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:07 am

Hi
question for everyone.
when trying to input a user code on a guzzi (breva 1100 )is there a limit to how many attempts you get eg 3 strikes your locked out ?
i have a second hand set of clocks coming but no user code.
i was going to attempt the usual user codes eg 00000,11111,12345,54321 before i give up and send them away to be sorted.the clocks are from a 1200 sport so maybe the service code is worth a try
anyone know it please.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 16, 2018 9:18 am

The common one used by many shops, usually without informing the owner, is the last five numbers of the vehicle's VIN. Unfortunately to know that you'd have to have the VIN of the bike the clocks came off.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:54 am

melonman wrote:
the clocks are from a 1200 sport so maybe the service code is worth a try
anyone know it please.

Try 36421; failing that 28315.  Here's hoping the previous owner chose the user code to be the same as the service code.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:55 pm

My original dealer (may they rot in hell) reset mine, without asking, to 11111 - try these "obvious" sequences before you give up...

Mine was 00000 when shipped
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:07 pm

this from the 1200 sport service manual... don't expect the GRiSO to be wildly different, given the parts bin/cut and paste mentality of our genial constructors....

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so just as Pete says...

and as guessed, and suggested, unless changed, the code 'should' be 00000
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:55 pm

If the code has never been set, or has been reset to 00000 when the ignition is switched on you will get the 'Don't forget to insert your user code' message and the dash will work. If a code has been inserted and the key isn't recognised you're stuffed because without the code you can't access the menu to use the 'Code Recovery' function.

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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:45 am

Plugged in the dash i got off a 1200 sport all lights up sweeps dials but the digital box on dash is blank.clocks are off abs model mine is non abs
Off to carmo me thinks
Any ideas ?
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 12:53 am

That'll bugger it.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:32 am

mmm I had a dying almost dead LCD back in May 2017.
All CARMO will do is try find another one off a wreck and swap it into yours for a healthy fee.....
There, as of early last year, no intel as to where Guzzi sourced its LCDs (please correct me if something has surfaced since) could be found.
But I did find a gentlemen from a time when they didn't have 'click purchase', and they so fixed things rather than replace them....
He saw my dash work, then not work, and he gave me a 50/50 chance.
I printed out what I could find, pictures from others delving in, and from the parts cat.

He fixed it.
Its been a while, and its still going strong (touch wood). Storms, hours riding in the rain, wash downs...

Apparently, the ribbon cable that connects the circuit board to the LCD has a ridiculously sharp bend as it enters the LCD, and he described the fix as "like acupressure". If he pushed "here" it worked.... so he basically packed the cable against the side of the housing so that it is constantly "pushed here"... He was not keen to attempt to replace the ribbon cable, it is basically part of the LCD, and not really repairable. His guess was that there was/is a break in a wire, and the pressure connected the circuit. He gave me his ATC* warranty...

The gentleman works with scientific instruments, and importantly, LCD dashboards in BMW, Audis, Rollers, Jags, Astin Martins, in fact any $$$$$ vehicles...he could not locate a matching LCD anywhere.

Definitely worth the $140 labour charge.





*Around The Corner. Said it might last a day, a week, possibly 5 years.Maybe more.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:54 am

strangest thing just happened.
went back to the bike after trying my original clocks (they just keep flashing and sweeping ignition on or off )and the doner clocks from a 1200 sport (they lit up,dial sweep but nothing in square lcd
window )
at this point i had nothing at the starter or indicators only horn and headlight.
checked all my fuses again just in case,all good.
no idea why ,but i plugged original clocks back in.
same result , erratic sweeping.
then all of a sudden , sweep , stop ,neutral light hazards flashed for 5 seconds then it just sat daring me to press the starter.
here we go !!!
springs into life as if FU** all had ever been wrong.
left it to warm up,scared to turn it off.
but off restart several times not a glitsch.
gonna leave it a couple of hours and try again.
i can only assume the last of the moisture has gone ?
the comment regarding carmo are they based on experiance ?
still not sure why the 1200 clocks did not work and i am reluctant to plug them back in.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 3:01 am

Pete,
i also checked the speed sensor at the fork leg and all looks spot on although i agree sealing it with silicone would not do any harm
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:24 am

woo hoo.... start is good!
Hopefully you are right and the moisture has moved on...

yes, carmo comment based upon emails with carmo.

as in...

"The LCD is a weak part of the Moto Guzzi dashboards.
I could test it for you but in 99 of the 100 times it is the LCD itself, what is defect.
We have searched many hours to find a supplier of the LCD's. But still without any success.
The only solution i have with this kind of defect is, that i can put your original immobilizercodes and mileage in to a second hand dashboard.
We have a fixed repair price for this and that is €140,49 ex. VAT.

With kind regards,"


140 is good, but then...

"Please wait with sending until you have found a second hand dashboard. I am searching on the internet too. But i am too busy with repairs so have to less time.
It doesn't matter if it has a other faceplate or a white faceplate instead of a black one for example. We can change those things to.

With kind regards,"

followed by...

"Not as good as i hoped.
I only found a new one.
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I'll keep searching!

With kind regards,"


so the 140 is for the swap over of key/ milage info, you still need to find and buy a dash with a working LCD, so best price I could find was AUD$800, plus 140 euro, plus shipping both ways....
-and they never actually found me a a second hand dash with a working LCD.

so my local guy stepped up and scored a goal, with local $ too!

there is plenty of chatter from 2007 onwards about the moisture issue, and how others have combatted it, all with varying degrees of success.
Mine wasn't moisture, mine was fatigue in the cable.
But once it is completely dry (did you try the rice in a bag trick???) put a shower cap over the dash when washing/leaving it parked in the rain, or seal the back up with silicone, leaving a few small openings for venting...
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 4:41 am

the 2nd dash i have is off a 1200 sport mine is an 1100 breva.
the sport dash lights up but nothing in lcd box and no start so there must be something different in the dash.so transfering codes etc from my faulty dash to my 1200 dash will not work i guess.
so not really sure what to do next,the bike now runs so that means it is definately the clocks that is the problem.but got a few trips planned next year and really worried this could leave me stranded.
the lcd screen on my original clocks is working fine.
just disconnected the clocks and reconnected and was asked for my user code,put it in and away it went again started first push.
when i turn ignition off the triangle on the dash flashes intermitently is this the immobiliser ? ithought the rev limit light was the immobiliser cant really remember.no fault codes on dash or ecu.
i have a mate who is into his micro electronics camera repairs etc wonder if he may help
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:22 pm

Craig, a triangle indicates something is not happy. There are 2 immobiliser LEDs on the dash - the first is the one on the L/H side of the dash which can be turned off in the menus. The second is only there if you have the factory immobiliser kit fitted, and the LED lights up on the R/H side of the dash (can't remember the exact location, but it is different to the first one). I had one of these fitted and it now sits in a box in my garage - flattens batteries faster than you can say "flat battery" and then needs disconnecting before you can start the beast again.
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:33 pm

Yeah its the second one
Sort of in the light cluster at top of dash
The light goes out when started not seen this before the normal light flashes to show imobiliser running.no errors showing in diag.clocks are back in there bag of rice but at least i heard her running again.shes off the road for winter so no great rush but it would be a bonus if the clocks self heal
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 2:56 pm

so # 3 then...

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and not #8...
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 7:02 pm

Thats correct
But on my clocks 9 is gear change and immobiliser light dont think i have eight
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 8:54 pm

8 only shows up if you have the extra immobiliser fitted. If you do it will be under the seat lock, where your tools probably sit. You don't want it, or the problems that go with it!
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Wed Dec 19, 2018 9:46 pm

No i dont have that.
Any ideas on the flashing triangle
Is it just telling me the clocks are fubar.
At one point of starting the bike it asked for my user code i entered it and it was accepted so it seems a lot of the functions are still working
Hope they dry out more
Just read that the speedo needles are a bitch to remove to get into the clocks
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PostSubject: Re: breva 1100 clocks   breva 1100 clocks - Page 2 Icon_minitime1Thu Dec 20, 2018 12:40 am

Melonman, you should get your friend who is into electronics and cameras to put a conformal coating on your printed circuit board. That's what I did for my GRiSO's dash, which is a variant of the Breva's. A local phone repair shop later quoted me $25 to do the same thing. The gauge needles are not hard to remove or reinstall, I found. For more information on all this go to that wilder Guzzi board and search for "GRiSO dash moisture" to find my long series of posts, collected as a "threadfest." Working on the Breva dash appears to be easier than on the GRiSO, for a reason explained there.
My dash has given me no more trouble.
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