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PostSubject: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:07 pm

When changing the clutch fluid, is the rubber diaphragm that sits under the reservoir cover supposed to be fully protruding into the reservoir. This would mean that there would only be room for a very small amount of fluid.

The diaphragm in the brake reservoir folds up nice and small under the cover allowing the brake fluid to be filled to the top mark.

Just wondering Question Thanks,
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:38 pm

I believe folded is the normal installed configuration.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:54 pm

The whole point of the diaphragm is to prevent air, laden with moisture, into the reservoir. Brake fluid is hygroscopic so it will absorb water reducing its boiling point and causing corrosion in the system. By using a diaphragm as the brake pads wear and the pistons get pushed out the level of fluid in the reservoir will drop. It has to be replaced with something so the cap of the reservoir is vented but the air is separated from the fluid by the diaphragm which will expand down into the reservoir as the fluid level drops.

The diaphragm should be installed 'Collapsed' with as little air beneath it as possible. This way there is little air in the system but the diaphragm can drop with the fluid level.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 24, 2019 2:43 pm

Thanks lads, that is what I was thinking. The problem is trying to get the clutch diaphragm to fold, The brake one folds up nice and small but the clutch one is a bit of a bitch, maybe because of low level fluid it got a bit deformed. I had neglected it and the fluid was shitty and low, the brake one was fine.

I got it back together but it was a bit of a struggle to try and get it to stay folded so that the fluid wasn’t pushed out all over the place, I probably need a new one for next time.
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:11 pm

For some reason CARC bike's are murder on clutch fluid. I have no idea why!
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:23 am

Rising heat from catalytic convertor?
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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:18 am

Pete Roper wrote:
The whole point of the diaphragm is to prevent air, laden with moisture, into the reservoir. Brake fluid is hygroscopic so it will absorb water reducing its boiling point and causing corrosion in the system. By using a diaphragm as the brake pads wear and the pistons get pushed out the level of fluid in the reservoir will drop. It has to be replaced with something so the cap of the reservoir is vented but the air is separated from the fluid by the diaphragm which will expand down into the reservoir as the fluid level drops.

The diaphragm should be installed 'Collapsed' with as little air beneath it as possible. This way there is little air in the system but the diaphragm can drop with the fluid level.

I've diligently bled the brakes & clutch on various bikes over the years but never realised this subtly.

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PostSubject: Re: Clutch master cylinder reservoir    Clutch master cylinder reservoir  Icon_minitime1Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:56 pm

Looking at the exploded view in the parts drawing, it shows the brake reservoir diaphragm folded but the clutch reservoir diaphragm fully formed.

Maybe it is because there is a smaller chance of a drop in the fluid level in the clutch reservoir because it doesn’t have to compensate for the brake pad wear. Idea
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