Moto Guzzi V100

el capitan wrote:

The V100 has 6-axis IMU, lean angle sensitive ABS and traction control and a shitload of electric and electronic gimmicks. It is too early to tell, but we´ll have to wait if this new generation of bikes will be desireable as 10, 15 or 20 years old bikes. Or if they will turn into a biker´s and bike mechanic´s worst nightmare ...

I was thinking about that, one of the things I love about the GRiSO and 1200Sport is it has limited electronic blaa blaa. The Convert has NONE.... LOL.

I did read that Guzzi dove in the parts bin for much of the electronics for suspension and dash, anyone know how they have been holding up? Is all that on the S model, or the base too?

Apart from the semiautomatic suspension everything should be on the standard model too. At least all the reviews say so.

I liked the gold coloured rims and the black exhaust headers better on the earlier pre-production versions, rather than what is shown here. That said, the gold wheels would probably mark terribly with stone chips, road tar, and squished insect innards. Black rims probably more practical.

el capitan wrote:

Apart from the semiautomatic suspension everything should be on the standard model too. At least all the reviews say so.

Few other things as well I think. No auto blipped for downshift? Not sure. I saw a list of specs the other day and there were differences. Personally if I was in the market for one I'd probably get the base model. I'd prefer to set the suspension up myself rather than rely on the semi-automatic adjustability and complexity of the Ohlins system. Also I tend to think a lot of the *Functions* are a bit gimmicky. I know that on most bikes people tend to use one ride mode and once they've been played with a bit they rarely get used. This is true even on my Mana which stays in 'Touring' mode 99% of the time and the faux 'Manual' mode never gets used at all!

Lots of good stuff like adaptive ABS and of course cruise control but a lot of frippery as well.

el capitan wrote:

Apart from the semiautomatic suspension everything should be on the standard model too. At least all the reviews say so.

The quick shift is standard on the S, along with the heated grips and electronically controlled suspension.
The grips and quickshift are optional accessories for the base model, along with things like the centerstand, panniers, engine guards, fog lights, etc.

Seems to be a mix of genuinely good features with this bike, mixed in with a few gimmicks as others have alluded to. If there’s one thing I really regret as such about the GRiSO, it’s the absence of ABS. Even 8 years after buying it, the thought of having to undertake an emergency stop worries me somewhat. Add in some gravel on a back road, or a bit of rain, and I’ll admit I’m quite petrified by that proposition.

Cruise control would be awesome too for those boring highway bits.

Traction control is much less a concern, as usually throttle inputs are a conscious decision you make as a rider, as opposed to ABS which typically comes to the fore when things have suddenly and unexpectedly gone pear-shaped. Rider modes are a gimmick unless you have 200 horsepower and then ‘maybe’ a rain mode is warranted, but even then, it’s still a bit of a wank.

The active aero stuff will inevitably break, be impossibly expensive to fix, and will likely be left permanently in the position that it was when it broke, for the rest of the life of the bike!

2023 Moto Guzzi V100 Mandello S Review – First Ride
A Moto Guzzi built for the 21st Century without sacrificing 100 years of heritage

https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/moto-guzzi/2023-moto-guzzi-v100-mandello-s-review-first-ride.html

The motor (parts pictures)
https://www.motociclismo.es/fotos-motor-moto-guzzi-100-mandello_69296_113/11311843.html

Right! Now we're getting to see some useful stuff!

Yeah! Motor Porn

Reminds me of when the major moto pubs would feature engines dismantled so we could ooohh & aaahhh and what was whirling around inside.

Never gets old.

Are my eyes deceiving me?  Is the sleeve only partially pressed into the block?  Or does it go in flush so the head encases the studs?  I must be missing something.

In any case, it appears only the top portion of the sleeve is liquid cooled, which makes sense as it's from the piston rings and up.

EDIT: Okay, the whole sleeve presses into the barrel, but yes, only the upper portion is cooled.

I wonder if they intentionally limited it to 115hp. The technology is available for 150+.

sideshowbob wrote:

I wonder if they intentionally limited it to 115hp. The technology is available for 150+.

I've thought the same thing. Compared to the GRiSO, it's a 100% new engine........new head/valve design, liquid cooling, pistons, bottom end, ECU mapping etc, yet only 5 more horsepower than the GRiSO. Yeah, I know, the torque curve is often more important than peak hp output etc, but I was expecting a touch more, say around 125-130hp was my original guess when the whole thing was first announced.

sideshowbob wrote:

I wonder if they intentionally limited it to 115hp. The technology is available for 150+.

I expect they’ve detuned it with a view to make it bullet-proof at this level of stresses. Reputation is everything for such a new engine, with potentially a whole new generation of Guzzi’s to follow. With the popularity of ADV BIKE, I’d still expect this engine to be be basis for a TT100? Or am I just wishing?

ps. I love the looks of the S in green / silver, but just maybe the grey Mandello Aviazione Navale could be special.

Bob

Brent S wrote:

sideshowbob wrote:

I wonder if they intentionally limited it to 115hp. The technology is available for 150+.

I've thought the same thing. Compared to the GRiSO, it's a 100% new engine........new head/valve design, liquid cooling, pistons, bottom end, ECU mapping etc, yet only 5 more horsepower than the GRiSO. Yeah, I know, the torque curve is often more important than peak hp output etc, but I was expecting a touch more, say around 125-130hp was my original guess when the whole thing was first announced.

Bearing in mind this is now a 1000 cc engine and not the 1200 or 1100 we all ride (well most of us anyway). Sure it is capable of much more - however, taking away 200 cc and having a little more power than the 8V engine IS progress. Imagine what would happen if they brought out a sport model with another 30 or so neddies! This is a new platform and will be developed in coming years, similar to the 1100 and 1200 2V and the 1200 8v and the V7 which now has an 850 engine and while less than the V85TT is still up on the older engines.

It is obvious to me, that Guzzi are positioning themselves for future models based on a common base. The big block is dead as we knew it - now replaced by the V100 - who's not to say there might be a capacity increase in the future (don't look but look at the GS line from that Cherman mob) along with improved numbers. It has always been the way of Guzzi to have plenty of torque available to do the job, not about maximum numbers of some manky dyno, at unusable revs on the road. This is what differentiates them from all others; this is what makes these machines unique; this is why we all have one; this is why we keep them too.
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We, like Moto Guzzi, march to a different beat

I like it. Not giving up my GRiSO, but this has a lot to offer, I think. Looks especially good in white with the gold wheels, but the black and gray S version is pretty bad-ass too.

Clicky

Ah, more information here including a Limited Edition version and a few comparisons to the almighty GRiSO. The author, Blue Marble Rider is a GRiSO owner - is he a member of the Ghetto?

Got this info from Paul Minnaert

Parts list:
https://www.af1racing.com/ProdImages/st3/GUV100.pdf

Accessories:
https://www.af1racing.com/v100-mandello-all-variants

You can watch some accessories here:

Blue Marble is a ghetto member under a different name that I can’t recall, because I’m old……

BMR??
Superbly edited and narrated, one of the most polished video I have ever seen.. on any subject.
Bravo!

I saw the green and red model at the EICMA show last year but wasn’t allowed to sit on it, I am 5’11” and was afraid that it would be a bit cramped. I loved the red colour but wanted the S model

Well I was back at the show last week and this time I could sit on the bike and threw a pillion on board as well, the seat seems very comfortable and the fit seemed perfect for a bike that doesn’t look too big.

But in my opinion the red colour that is the production bike is not a patch on the beautiful red on display at the show last year and I changed my opinion on the colour choice. The green is nice but I have the tenni GRiSO and she’s going nowhere the one that I’m sold on is the s model black and grey, looks great in the flesh. The luggage looks great and has a very neat way of attaching so you’re not left with scaffolding when they’re removed

I’m in, brain says wait for a year but I don’t always take my own advice, bike looks great to me and the press ride reviews seem very positive

I had the black, gray, and silver 2007 Tuono, and it's a very nice combination.
I too have a Tenni GRiSO, so the green works best for me.

Source:
https://www.facebook.com/gabroracing/photos/pcb.5988462924594931/5988451231262767/



"Green is drag, mainly from tyre to roller contact. Red is measured rear wheel power, Black is calculated power at the clutch, Blue is a calculated torque at the clutch."

"So this should be the very first indipendent dyno test for the Moto Guzzi newcomer V100 Mandello
She was just out of the break-in period and pulled 112hp on my very conservative dyno, pretty much matching the 115hp declared power.
Power delivery is clean with no dips at all, with strong low end, stronger midrange, and nice topend till the 9500rpm rev limiter.
Good work Moto Guzzi!"

4-cylinder engine?

Looking at the placement of the alternator, any concern about it overheating being on the heated downdraft side of the cyls and radiator, especially tucked under the tank? Seems it would be a very hot and unforgiving location.